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Shawn@PRS
07-05-2012, 04:10 PM
Here is a really cool project the PTC is currently working on, posted with permission of the owner. This started life as a yellow Standard from 1986, but a few years later the owner decided to give it a swirl paint job. The bridge area was also modified to give an “up route” type of effect. The guitar is now back at the factory and we are now in the process of bringing her back to her former glory. I will post progress pics as things happen. I hope you enjoy them

This one had a high profile stable mate for a while. That is Mr. Santana's #1 next to her.
http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i68/gitfukintar/PRS/s1.jpg

headstock paint
http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i68/gitfukintar/PRS/s2.jpg


After a few gentle passes with some sand paper, the original color and logo are revealed
http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i68/gitfukintar/PRS/s3.jpg


As mentioned, the bridge area was modified for a "trem up route" effect
http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i68/gitfukintar/PRS/s4.jpg


We had to prep the area for further work
http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i68/gitfukintar/PRS/s5.jpg


Epoxy is then poured into the cavity
http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i68/gitfukintar/PRS/s6.jpg


and then sanded smooth and routed out
http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i68/gitfukintar/PRS/s7.jpg


The guitar is getting stripped to bare wood
http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i68/gitfukintar/PRS/s9.jpg


Here is Scotty B the PTC Ninja with the semi-stripped top
http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i68/gitfukintar/PRS/s8.jpg

swede71
07-05-2012, 04:24 PM
Is the owner Steve Vai?Looked like the PRS Steve Vai signature model.

themike
07-05-2012, 04:30 PM
Scotty B rules - the job he did on my Charcoal Cherry Bomb was unreal!

dvlsadvc8t
07-05-2012, 05:16 PM
Thanks for posting that Shawn. I never would have thought about repairing that bridge area like that. I would have tried to fit a piece of maple in there and then used grain filler to cover the seams. That epoxy method just takes care of all of that.

sergiodeblanc
07-05-2012, 06:01 PM
Are the guys trying to keep the "old style" script logo?

]-[ @ n $ 0 |v| a T !
07-05-2012, 07:41 PM
Congratulations on bringing a truly rare old PRS back to it's original glory.

You should seriously consider doing one last detail since you're going this far... have them pull the old frets, radius sand the fretboard (to get the fingernail marks out), and install new frets BEFORE they paint it (to cover the fret tangs).

It would suck to see you go that far and not finish the restoration.

Shawn@PRS
07-05-2012, 07:45 PM
Are the guys trying to keep the "old style" script logo?

we're going to do our best

dvlsadvc8t
07-05-2012, 09:47 PM
Congratulations on bringing a truly rare old PRS back to it's original glory.

You should seriously consider doing one last detail since you're going this far... have them pull the old frets, radius sand the fretboard (to get the fingernail marks out), and install new frets BEFORE they paint it (to cover the fret tangs).

It would suck to see you go that far and not finish the restoration.

Not my guitar, but I have done tons of work on a few instruments and built a few as well and never considered something as easy as what they just did for that repair. Can't wait to see the finished product.

Axxeman
07-06-2012, 04:31 PM
Funny someone asked about Steve Vai. The swirl was actually done in 1988 or '89 by Joe Despagni who did the swirls for Vai. The route was done by another luthier in NYC and was actually very effective. I am the original owner and I played this guitar daily for years and I am very psyched that the team at PRS is resoring it back to its former glory. Great job so far! Thanks for the progress report.

Dirty Bob
07-06-2012, 05:48 PM
BAD-ASS!!!!!!!!!!!!

Shawn@PRS
07-10-2012, 10:48 AM
Here are a couple more progress pics.

Top has been stripped
http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i68/gitfukintar/PRS/s11.jpg


Back stripped
http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i68/gitfukintar/PRS/s12.jpg


And refret done!
http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i68/gitfukintar/PRS/s10.jpg

Aldwyn
07-10-2012, 11:10 AM
Damn photobucket filter here at work, blocking pictures!! Arrrgh!

themike
07-10-2012, 12:39 PM
Looking good, man! Those frets look big haha

cjmwrx
07-10-2012, 12:52 PM
It even looks sexy without it's clothes on.

]-[ @ n $ 0 |v| a T !
07-10-2012, 01:42 PM
That was an excellent decision. A complete restoration without any excuses. Love it.


And refret done!
http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i68/gitfukintar/PRS/s10.jpg

Richard Lainegard
07-10-2012, 02:43 PM
great job!
Can I ask though, why didn't you level the fretboard a bit before refretting?
As far as I can see, there seemed to be some serious "grooves" in it?
Was there not enough material to work with, o did the owner prefer to leave them there?

Shawn@PRS
07-10-2012, 03:31 PM
Hi Richard,

We did level the board and we got about 75% of the divots out. There is not enough wood on the board to remove all of the divots without losing the side dots as well. The only other option would have been to replace the board alltogether, but then the owner would have lost the Brazilian Rosewood.

Axxeman
07-10-2012, 05:04 PM
Hey Shawn,
Looking great so far. The frets look terrific. As for a few divots, they are fine by me. I believe the guitar has "earned" them. I mean, people pay some guitar manufacturers big bucks to buy a new guitar that looks all beat up. LOL.
I'm glad you're taking such good care of my favorite ax!

Shawn@PRS
07-10-2012, 05:39 PM
Hi Axxeman- You've certainly earned those divots, that baby has been played and often. Other than those small marks, the guitar will look like the day it was made once we are finished with the work.

It's our pleasure to take this journey along with you!

Richard Lainegard
07-11-2012, 03:37 AM
Hi Richard,

We did level the board and we got about 75% of the divots out. There is not enough wood on the board to remove all of the divots without loosing the side dots as well. The only other option would have been to replace the board alltogether, but then the owner would have lost the Brazilian Rosewood.

Aah, thanks for clarifying that =) BRW with divots > No BRW

Dirty Bob
07-11-2012, 08:21 PM
I said it once...I'll say it again...BAD-ASS!!!

Looks great Shawn!

Shawn@PRS
07-13-2012, 02:10 PM
I said it once...I'll say it again...BAD-ASS!!!

Looks great Shawn!



Thanks Bob. When is your next project guitar coming up? :)

MykeWright
07-13-2012, 06:08 PM
Great work Shawn and the rest of the team. Love the epoxy fix, I'll have to remember that one.

Hope you manage to keep to old logo, it's the main thing about my '93 Cu22 that would stop me getting it resprayed in a colour that would show the quilt 10 off much better than Royal Blue (nice though it is).

Shawn@PRS
07-18-2012, 09:36 AM
Update photos.

basecoat has been sprayed (but not sanded yet). It looks like Scott is going to be able to save the original logo.
http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i68/gitfukintar/PRS/poly1.jpg


The bridge area has been repaired and is ready to sand flat.
http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i68/gitfukintar/PRS/poly2.jpg

themike
07-18-2012, 09:42 AM
SCIENCE.

rafalstachura
07-18-2012, 11:16 AM
It's a pleasure and privilege to see these PTC-work in progress photos, great idea.

Axxeman
07-18-2012, 11:46 AM
It keeps getting better and better. I'm really happy to hear that Scott is goint to be able to save the logo. It's clear to see that your team is living up to its stellar reputation. Way to go!

sergiodeblanc
07-18-2012, 12:02 PM
Nice! I get excited whenever I see a "little" logo, and the epoxy work on the trem cavity turned out very well.

lookslikemeband
07-27-2012, 05:54 PM
What an amazing job!

If I may ask... what kind of epoxy was that???

Shawn@PRS
08-01-2012, 11:57 AM
New updates are here, new updates are here!

http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i68/gitfukintar/PRS/news.jpg


Our friends in Private Stock are giving us a hand. Here Brian is scraping back the paint from the original logo. He works with such skill that only the paint sitting directly on top of the logo is removed.
http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i68/gitfukintar/PRS/IMG_1395-1.jpg


There is no existing paint code, so this was hand mixed to match the original.
http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i68/gitfukintar/PRS/IMG_1397-1.jpg


The bridge area re-hab still amazes me!
http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i68/gitfukintar/PRS/IMG_1398-1.jpg

]-[ @ n $ 0 |v| a T !
08-01-2012, 12:59 PM
Now THAT is a restoration project. Looking good!

slowro
08-01-2012, 01:00 PM
WITCHCRAFT

Fixed

How many times can one company leave you speechless! gorgeous

themike
08-01-2012, 01:22 PM
Amazery

MykeWright
08-01-2012, 05:29 PM
That's the STUFF!!!!

LSchefman
08-01-2012, 06:32 PM
You guys are INCREDIBLE.

Mike Duncan
08-01-2012, 07:18 PM
BADASSERY! Total!

Dirty Bob
08-01-2012, 10:07 PM
Thanks Bob. When is your next project guitar coming up? :)

After seeing this I'm having heart palpitations!!!! Dude don't tempt me..must resist tractor beam for sake of marriage!!!


Resistance is futile!!!!

Gonna have to come up with something....hmmmm....

Gorgeous work!

Axxeman
08-01-2012, 10:58 PM
I have no idea what kind of work usually goes into your restorations, but I am completely blown away by the work you are putting into my ax. I did not imagine before I sent this guitar to you the amount of expertise that the project would require, or that your team would be willing to put into it. Seriously, you guys are knocking it out of the park. Thanks for the thrill ride!

stonevibe
08-02-2012, 01:55 AM
Its looking better with every set of pics! Great work.

Boogie
08-02-2012, 05:01 AM
They're wizards, Harry...;) I wish my old Lester could be revived like this. Sending it to Nashville wouldn't hold nearly the confidence as sending it to Stevensville.

Shawn@PRS
08-02-2012, 12:28 PM
Thanks everyone. This has been a really fun project for us!

gear_freak
08-03-2012, 06:23 AM
That guitar is amazing! Nice job PTC team!!!!

vchizzle
08-03-2012, 09:58 AM
They're wizards, Harry...;) I wish my old Lester could be revived like this. Sending it to Nashville wouldn't hold nearly the confidence as sending it to Stevensville.Would be pretty funny to find a pic of the PTC team and photoshop some really long wizard beards on them:D

Shawn@PRS
08-03-2012, 11:52 AM
Would be pretty funny to find a pic of the PTC team and photoshop some really long wizard beards on them:D

Would it now?:mad:

:)

]-[ @ n $ 0 |v| a T !
08-03-2012, 01:13 PM
Would it now?:mad:

:)

I don't know about everyone else... but that sounds like a dare to me.

CE-man
08-09-2012, 05:41 PM
Any more progress to report, will we get some pictures of the assembled finished product? What do you guys do with the serial numbers, both inside and on the back of the headstock, are they all recreated as they were original?

themike
08-09-2012, 06:42 PM
Any more progress to report, will we get some pictures of the assembled finished product? What do you guys do with the serial numbers, both inside and on the back of the headstock, are they all recreated as they were original?

Our fearless PTC leader is away from the office for a few days so the photos will probably roll in upon his arrival but regarding the serial number, I had my guitar completely refinished and they keep the same number that was originally on the instrument.

Shawn@PRS
08-09-2012, 06:42 PM
Any more progress to report, will we get some pictures of the assembled finished product? What do you guys do with the serial numbers, both inside and on the back of the headstock, are they all recreated as they were original?

I meant to take another photo earlier this week but I just ran out of time. I ll post some pics of the completed project soon.


We will recreate the serial number just as it was so we'll re-stamp this one

CE-man
08-10-2012, 09:21 PM
Our fearless PTC leader is away from the office for a few days so the photos will probably roll in upon his arrival but regarding the serial number, I had my guitar completely refinished and they keep the same number that was originally on the instrument.
What I've seen so far is outstanding, I can't wait to see the completed project.

I meant to take another photo earlier this week but I just ran out of time. I ll post some pics of the completed project soon.

We will recreate the serial number just as it was so we'll re-stamp this one

Okay, the old ones do get restamped as they came originally not merely drawn on with gold pens. That's what I was fishing for.

Shawn@PRS
08-15-2012, 09:11 AM
This one is getting close to completion. Here are a couple more shots before she gets assembled in the next couple of days.

http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i68/gitfukintar/PRS/IMG_1494.jpg
http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i68/gitfukintar/PRS/IMG_1492.jpg
http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i68/gitfukintar/PRS/IMG_1488.jpg

]-[ @ n $ 0 |v| a T !
08-15-2012, 01:24 PM
BANANA!!!

:cool:

John Beef
08-15-2012, 01:40 PM
BANANA!!!

:cool:
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-I8I4r393Iio/T8y6lNkwGdI/AAAAAAAAATE/e_9HQSRCPKA/s1600/We+Are+in+a+Book.jpg

]-[ @ n $ 0 |v| a T !
08-15-2012, 01:46 PM
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-XQe6P7H1x20/TtQL8rsECiI/AAAAAAAAAIc/limHFOfvek0/s1600/Untitled.jpg (http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-XQe6P7H1x20/TtQL8rsECiI/AAAAAAAAAIc/limHFOfvek0/s1600/Untitled.jpg)

CantankerousCarl
08-15-2012, 03:26 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3vWm47yPLGc&feature=player_detailpage

rugerpc
08-15-2012, 06:49 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3vWm47yPLGc&feature=player_detailpage

O. M. G. !

I almost busted a gut laughing...

Aldwyn
08-15-2012, 07:15 PM
Now THAT's what I am talking about!

sergiodeblanc
08-15-2012, 10:28 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3sRhm3SsdHM

]-[ @ n $ 0 |v| a T !
08-15-2012, 11:14 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3vWm47yPLGc&feature=player_detailpage
Is it wrong that I know every word to that song?

Raffi rules.

Axxeman
08-16-2012, 03:27 PM
Wow! That headstock looks amazing. The logo looks as good as new. To think it was hiding under the swirl all these years. I'm going to go bananas when I get it back again! Thanks for all the hard work.

Shawn@PRS
08-20-2012, 09:09 PM
This beauty has been loaded up on the truck and is heading home. So here is the final reveal.

She cleans up nice
http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i68/gitfukintar/PRS/IMG_1500.jpg


Like new
http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i68/gitfukintar/PRS/IMG_1503.jpg


original logo
http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i68/gitfukintar/PRS/IMG_1502.jpg


The Maestro
http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i68/gitfukintar/PRS/IMG_1505.jpg

Boogie
08-20-2012, 09:20 PM
What an amazing transformation. As a final post, you should show a side-by-side, before and after photo.

Thanks again for sharing, Shawn. :cool:

]-[ @ n $ 0 |v| a T !
08-20-2012, 09:38 PM
Fantastic!

CE-man
08-20-2012, 10:04 PM
That is the cats meow, beautiful! There should be one anxious customer waiting on the UPS man.


In the event that the original headstock logo is destroyed or removed, are you guys able to replicate the early small signature?

themike
08-21-2012, 08:10 AM
Brand. Freaking. New! You guys never cease to amaze me....

docbennett
08-21-2012, 10:22 AM
That was a fun thread. Very interesting to see the progress as it occurrred. I have sufficient experience with PTC to know personally how great their work can be. thanks for sharing Shawn. My PS #'s 139 and 1669 have benefitted from the PTC magic in past years.

#139 (2000)

http://www.vintagerocker.com/paulreedsmith/images/139.jpg

#1669 (2008)

http://www.vintagerocker.com/paulreedsmith/images/1669.jpg

Shawn@PRS
08-21-2012, 11:37 AM
What an amazing transformation. As a final post, you should show a side-by-side, before and after photo.

Thanks again for sharing, Shawn. :cool:

Good Idea! :)

http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i68/gitfukintar/PRS/s1.jpghttp://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i68/gitfukintar/PRS/IMG_1505.jpg

dantedayjob
08-21-2012, 11:52 AM
Awesome.. incredible job! I also love how just a wee bit of the swirl is left in the truss rod cavity :D

CE-man
08-21-2012, 12:54 PM
Awesome.. incredible job! I also love how just a wee bit of the swirl is left in the truss rod cavity :D

I thought the same thing, the tiniest indicator of the transformation this guitar has made.

slowro
08-21-2012, 01:31 PM
that looks amazing really vibrant, spanking new and I bet it sings after being set up by the best

]-[ @ n $ 0 |v| a T !
08-21-2012, 02:39 PM
Hey look, our 1st "Greatest Hit"!

:D

Shawn@PRS
08-21-2012, 03:45 PM
Awesome.. incredible job! I also love how just a wee bit of the swirl is left in the truss rod cavity :D

It's like that one bad tattoo that serves as a reminder. :)

Axxeman
08-21-2012, 04:15 PM
I stopped the UPS guy on the road about a mile from my house this morning, and there it was. Then I waited until I was done with work before opening the box. This was not as easy as it sounds since it was about 5 feet away from me for about 4 hours. At long last, I just opened it up an I am truly floored. All the little details are just as I remembered them in '86. The guitar looks brand new. As I watched it all come together I was wondering how my old, beat up, magical sounding T and B pickups would look against the newly re-finished shiny yellow body. I don't know how they did it, but even the pickups look new! I have never been so impressed with customer service, workmanship or communication in my life. You guys ROCK!
Excuse me for now - I think I have to go grab a guitar cable...

Shawn@PRS
08-21-2012, 07:03 PM
I'm glad you're happy with the work Kenny. Thank you for being so easy to work with, you've been very gracious in allowing us to post pics and share this with the rest of the world!
Now you can pass down the guitar to the neck generation so it can get the living snot played out of it again. :)

Axxeman
08-21-2012, 07:52 PM
Not 'til I play the hell out of it first!
Yeah, actually it's so damn perfect right now I'm going to put most of my mileage on my pearl white '87 with birds. (Until I send that one to you - LOL)

iahawk36
08-24-2012, 09:58 PM
Absolutely OUTSTANDING work guys!!!

QueenCityGuitars
08-27-2012, 03:52 PM
http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i68/gitfukintar/PRS/s1.jpghttp://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i68/gitfukintar/PRS/IMG_1505.jpg

Wow...that turned out really well. \m/

Artist
09-18-2012, 10:45 PM
Shawn. What happened to the pictures? I get a message that they got deleted from Photobucket. This looks like a great thread and would be great to have the pictures again.

Shawn@PRS
09-19-2012, 08:14 AM
my photobucket account was getting a little cluttered so I rearranged photos into their own "albums", this must have screwed up the posted links. I'll try to go back and recreate the original posts with photos. if that doesn't work, I'll just make a new post in the end with all of the photos.

docbennett
09-19-2012, 08:55 AM
Yup....once you "organize" your photobucket album and move the photos from one location to a new location, all the existing links are broken and you get the "picture moved or deleted" message.

Rosewoodsteel
10-02-2012, 12:52 PM
You guys did an absolutely incredible job.
-Got me thinking about Paul, John Ingram and the others, back in the day.

Great work!

almoon
10-17-2012, 10:01 AM
the guitar is owned by a dear friend of mine, who was also my guitar teacher for many years....He is not a celebrity, but he can give most pro guitar players a run for their money....

hoofarted
11-26-2012, 11:11 PM
My gosh! That is outstanding. Well done! I WANT ONE!! Why isn't "Banana" in the color catalog!?!?! :D

thieves&foxes
11-27-2012, 12:57 AM
Wow. The PTC boys are now my new heroes. When I grow up (which will probably be never) I want to be like them.

prscat33511
12-01-2012, 04:49 PM
I cant see the pic
What is wrong with me ?

Shawn@PRS
12-01-2012, 07:57 PM
I just checked the photos and they're still there. Maybe someone a little more computer savvy than myself can help?

gearhead
01-18-2013, 09:04 PM
I haven't checked in here in a while.....what an amazing job!!

prscat33511
01-20-2013, 10:52 AM
there you go

Bubbalou
04-21-2013, 08:36 AM
Reading this post was like a suspense novel! Cannot get over how they were able to save this to look practically like a new guitar!

Shawn@PRS
04-21-2013, 12:51 PM
Reading this post was like a suspense novel! Cannot get over how they were able to save this to look practically like a new guitar!

Thanks you. Scott did an amazing job!

Chitarrista scarso
04-26-2013, 04:58 AM
Great work. Personally i think the swirl is one of ugliest things on electric guitars... but if you love it, good for you.
Nice job!

Spartanwa
05-10-2013, 03:35 AM
a-freakin-mazing.

HighGain510
05-10-2013, 06:45 AM
I had missed this thread previously, wow... what a KILLER job! Way to go PTC, that thing looks amazing now!!! :D