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james
08-09-2012, 09:41 AM
You heard it here first!

Experience PRS 2012 Artists Announced

Experience 2012 is shaping up to be another great event. Complete event details will be emailed to registrants on September 4, but we’ve decided to give everyone a sneak peak at some of the artists who will be joining us this year.

Mark Tremonti will perform some spectacular songs from his new solo album All I Was at the Exclusive Signature Club Event on Thursday, September 13.

John McLaughlin and the 4th Dimension will headline Friday’s evening performance after a day of fun and informative clinics and product demonstrations. McLaughlin’s musical influences carry over to many of the musical elite also declaring him to be “the best guitarist alive,” as Jeff Beck mused in 2010. His recent announcement of his latest album, Now Here This (Abstract Logix) is set for release on October 18th and we are excited to give you a taste of what this album has to offer. As John himself simply states, “Now Here This is the culmination of my life’s work till now.”

Mother’s Finest, featuring PRS bass player Jerry “Wyzard” Seay, will take you back to the 70’s and give you a taste of funk rock at Saturday night’s evening concert.

As always, the PRS Band will host various artists on stage as well, including Davy Knowles, Brent Mason, Bernie Marsden, Simon McBride, Neal Schon, and more.

Event registration will close on August 18. If you haven’t registered and would like to attend Experience PRS 2012, please visit: www.prsguitars.com/experience/ (http://www.prsguitars.com/experience/) We look forward to seeing you in September!

*Schedule Subject to change without notice.

http://www.prsguitars.com/forum_img/uploads/mclaughlin.jpg

themike
08-09-2012, 10:09 AM
A VERY METAL SIGNATURE CLUB NIGHT IS IN-STORE MY FRIENDS :evil laugh:

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08-09-2012, 10:30 AM
Outstanding!

The bass player in me is especially stoked to see Mother's Finest.

Of course, I rarely sit and watch any of the acts because I'm too busy jaw-jackin' with all of the fellas. Can't wait. :cool:

iahawk36
08-09-2012, 11:51 AM
GREAT lineup!!! Can't wait!!

Em7
08-09-2012, 12:13 PM
Joyce Kennedy had an amazing set of pipes back in her prime. Hopefully, time has been kind to her.

Here's my favorite Mother's Finest tune:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-N64qEtwNkk

What's amazing is much how much bigger and heavier Mother's Finest sounded in concert.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nYArlk0eXac&feature=related

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08-09-2012, 03:10 PM
By the way, I was bragging about John McLaughlin playing X-PRS to a friend (John Zurek) who is an accomplished Jazz drummer. He's played with many of the big boys. He said, and I quote...

"If he has Mark Mondesir with him you'll see a drummer the likes of you never ever seen before. Check out "Industrial Zen" (awesome bassist Matthew Garrison on this one) and "To the One".

If Johnny Z is impressed, I can't wait!

Michael B
08-09-2012, 03:15 PM
AWESOME!!!!! So glad to hear Tremonti's playing thursday!!!!

veinbuster
08-09-2012, 03:20 PM
I guess I should try and make it in time for Thursday night.

Mike Duncan
08-09-2012, 03:57 PM
Grissom?

vchizzle
08-09-2012, 03:57 PM
Sweet, sounds like it should be a very cool & eclectic weekend!

Em7
08-09-2012, 04:06 PM
Hopefully, John McLaughlin will not be as much of a snooze as Al Di Meola was last year. I love Al's work with Return to Forever and his early solo work (Splendido Hotel is a tour de force), but I cannot get into "New World Music" Al. That being said, Al Di Meola, as good as he is, is no John McLaughlin. John McLaughlin has had an amazing career. It does not hurt that he rose to fame by playing guitar on In a Silent Way and Bitches Brew. Miles Davis was a genius, and McLaughlin benefited enormously from working with him.

vchizzle
08-09-2012, 04:15 PM
Grissom?Isn't he there every year? I mean, I'm trying not to assume...but...I'd be bummed not to see him play in some way shape or form.

Em7
08-09-2012, 04:19 PM
I am looking forward to Davy and Bernie being at Experience again this year. Those two have joined Mike Ault, Gary Grainger, and Greg Grainger as Experience MVPs.

CHARISMAFIRE
08-09-2012, 05:10 PM
WHOA! If I knew about John McLaughlin and the oppourtunity to pehaps even meet and chat ( pick his brain ) with him I would have made every excuse to be there this year. Oh well, it must be fate that our paths don't cross this time. Mmmm, that sounds like something he would say....or does it??? .....And thats exactly the sort of thing I would like to know! Yes, he is an amazing improvisational guitarist, but to hear his perspective on things, he is one of the most intrieging souls I have ever heard speak. For those of you unfamiliar with his music, prepare to have your minds blown!!!!!

Em7
08-10-2012, 02:05 PM
I am curious as to why Mark Tremonti is scheduled to perform on Thursday evening when the members of the Signature Club tend to be older than the members of the PRS community as a whole? Wouldn't it make more sense to have Mark Tremonti headline the show on Saturday evening? Saturday tends to draw the most age-diverse crowd.

themike
08-10-2012, 03:04 PM
I am curious as to why Mark Tremonti is scheduled to perform on Thursday evening when the members of the Signature Club tend to be older than the members of the PRS community as a whole? Wouldn't it make more sense to have Mark Tremonti headline the show on Saturday evening? Saturday tends to draw the most age-diverse crowd.

Probably scheduling for either Mark or the other day's headliners. Also while Mark and his solo project are a little heavier, who doesn't enjoy them some Tremonti? Hes such a great guy.

Em7
08-10-2012, 04:31 PM
Probably scheduling for either Mark or the other day's headliners. Also while Mark and his solo project are a little heavier, who doesn't enjoy them some Tremonti? Hes such a great guy.

I know it is difficult for younger musicians to understand, but most older guitarists do not care for modern rock. For them, guitar pretty much went on a downhill spiral after "Nevermore" was released. If given their choice between John McLaughlin and Mark Tremonti, most would pick John McLaughlin. Older guitarists tend be more technically-oriented than younger guitarists because they cut their teeth when guitar was a lot more technically-oriented than it is today, and John McLaughlin is a technician's technician. Few guitarists will ever reach his level of prowess.

Scheduling Opeth to perform on Saturday last year was brilliant because it allowed younger members of the PRS family who are less likely to have extensive leave built up the opportunity to see the band that they cared about seeing. While older members of the PRS family may have slightly impaired hearing, we are not completely deaf. If I had a dollar for every time that I heard a young person at Experience 2010 complain about the weekend being too blues-rock/classic rock oriented, I would have walked away from the event with pockets full of money.

With that said, Mark Tremonti has to been really down to earth with Experience attendees in the past. I especially like the story about Mark making beer runs for a few BaMmers. I also appreciate the effort that he has put forth to bring guitar solos back to rock guitar.

Shawn@PRS
08-10-2012, 04:40 PM
The Artists/bands have very busy schedules and we are happy to work around those schedules. We appreciate the time they are able to give us, when they can give it.

themike
08-10-2012, 07:32 PM
I know it is difficult for younger musicians to understand, but most older guitarists do not care for modern rock. For them, guitar pretty much went on a downhill spiral after "Nevermore" was released. If given their choice between John McLaughlin and Mark Tremonti, most would pick John McLaughlin. Older guitarists tend be more technically-oriented than younger guitarists because they cut their teeth when guitar was a lot more technically-oriented than it is today, and John McLaughlin is a technician's technician. Few guitarists will ever reach his level of prowess.

Scheduling Opeth to perform on Saturday last year was brilliant because it allowed younger members of the PRS family who are less likely to have extensive leave built up the opportunity to see the band that they cared about seeing. While older members of the PRS family may have slightly impaired hearing, we are not completely deaf. If I had a dollar for every time that I heard a young person at Experience 2010 complain about the weekend being too blues-rock/classic rock oriented, I would have walked away from the event with pockets full of money.

With that said, Mark Tremonti has to been really down to earth with Experience attendees in the past. I especially like the story about Mark making beer runs for a few BaMmers. I also appreciate the effort that he has put forth to bring guitar solos back to rock guitar.


I think 99% of what you said is sheer opinion - and I respect it - but don't necessarily believe it to be as true as you make it. With that being said, its always a good time - both performance wise and of course simply our time to bond with fellow PRS lovers.

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08-10-2012, 09:11 PM
I work with a lot of guys replete with technical knowledge. They tend to be socially inept.

Boogie
08-10-2012, 11:05 PM
I work with a lot of guys replete with technical knowledge. They tend to be socially inept.
+1
And still live in their mom's basement. :p

Poffypoffa
08-10-2012, 11:08 PM
I know it is difficult for younger musicians to understand, but most older guitarists do not care for modern rock. For them, guitar pretty much went on a downhill spiral after "Nevermore" was released. If given their choice between John McLaughlin and Mark Tremonti, most would pick John McLaughlin. Older guitarists tend be more technically-oriented than younger guitarists because they cut their teeth when guitar was a lot more technically-oriented than it is today, and John McLaughlin is a technician's technician. Few guitarists will ever reach his level of prowess.

.Scheduling Opeth to perform on Saturday last year was brilliant because it allowed younger members of the PRS family who are less likely to have extensive leave built up the opportunity to see the band that they cared about seeing. While older members of the PRS family may have slightly impaired hearing, we are not completely deaf. If I had a dollar for every time that I heard a young person at Experience 2010 complain about the weekend being too blues-rock/classic rock oriented, I would have walked away from the event with pockets full of money.

With that said, Mark Tremonti has to been really down to earth with Experience attendees in the past. I especially like the story about Mark making beer runs for a few BaMmers. I also appreciate the effort that he has put forth to bring guitar solos back to rock guitar.

I'm 40, and I don't feel at all like this. While I respect what a talent McLaughlin is, I don't think I've spent an hour listening to his music in my lifetime.

Tremonti, on the other hand, I would love to see.

Em7
08-10-2012, 11:33 PM
I think 99% of what you said is sheer opinion - and I respect it - but don't necessarily believe it to be as true as you make it. With that being said, its always a good time - both performance wise and of course simply our time to bond with fellow PRS lovers.

I believe that I have a pretty darn good handle on the music that my generation prefers to hear. What percentage of the musicians that you personally know are over forty years of age? If we increase the lower bound to over fifty years of age, what does the percentage look like? All of the musicians in my peer group are over forty years of age, and more than half are over fifty years of age. Not one of these musicians listens to modern rock unless they forced to do so by their children.

What I am trying to say here is that a smart business targets its audience. Experience PRS is a three-day sales pitch. From my experience, Signature Club members tend to be forty-plus years of age. While twenty-something and thirty-something Signature Club members do exist, they are easily outnumbered by the graying crowd. Having Mark Tremonti play on Thursday is a lost opportunity because his music does not resonate with Baby Boomers and most early Gen-Xers. Mark Tremonti will not experience the bounce that Davy Knowles experienced with Baby Boomers because Davy sounds like he is straight out of the early seventies. Like the Rival Sons, Davy's music puts a big smile on the faces of people who grew up in the sixties and seventies.

Note: PRS Marketing/Artist relations, if you are listening, you need to bring Scott Holiday and Robin Everhart of the Rival Sons into the PRS family.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fIJ-tLEBWqI

JDBRADSHAW
08-10-2012, 11:46 PM
Another great line up and looking forward to all 3 days!

Em7
08-10-2012, 11:51 PM
I'm 40, and I don't feel at all like this. While I respect what a talent McLaughlin is, I don't think I've spent an hour listening to his music in my lifetime.

Tremonti, on the other hand, I would love to see.

That makes sense because you are not Baby Boomer. Your generation was responsible for ushering in the modern rock movement.

I am an early fifty-something, and I feel like a youngster at Signature Club events. I can safely say that the majority of the Signature Club members that I have encountered are either Baby Boomers or people who were born at the tail end of the Silent Generation.

Em7
08-11-2012, 12:18 AM
I work with a lot of guys replete with technical knowledge. They tend to be socially inept.

Hans:

You are a better man than that comment makes you appear. Attack the message, not the messenger! Character assassination is a sign that one has lost the argument.

Fox77
08-11-2012, 04:11 AM
Well, i guess the line-up must adhere to the artists' schedules and imho it is awesome. Remember that it is a FREE event and that we should be grateful that it exists at all. I'm currently trying everything to make it happen to attend this year and one of the main reasons is Mark. I had the opportunity to chat with him before and he's just such a cool aproachable guy. I think that it's great that his appearance is made possible.

I admit that i love AB and his solo record. And i'm 35 :)

gear_freak
08-11-2012, 06:29 AM
I am siked to see all these guys!!

Michael B
08-11-2012, 07:42 AM
I am mostly looking forward to Mark, love Alter Bridge and Marks solo record is phenominal!! I'm 45 and I enjoy the heavier stuff but I also enjoy all the artists that perform every year. Prs covers a huge pallett of music every year and let us mingle with the folks and play in the factory....one of the highlights of my year...can't wait

Em7
08-11-2012, 10:41 AM
Remember that it is a FREE event and that we should be grateful that it exists at all.

It's not a free event for Signature Club members. Signature Club members pay $60.00 for the privilege of attending the Signature Club-only event.

Fox77
08-11-2012, 11:03 AM
It's not a free event for Signature Club members. Signature Club members pay $60.00 for the privilege of attending the Signature Club-only event.

That's right, i habe been a member as well and will probably renew. But still, why does the sig club event always have to be the same? Last year was probably more suited to the general sig club average age, this year it's a bit more to younger members. Boils down to taste, which we can obviously discuss about without end ;)

I understand your argument btw, it's just a done deal, so let's just look forward to it. Still very much hoping to make it this year.

If you can go, have fun and i hope you'll have a good time despite the modern rock thing :D

Poffypoffa
08-11-2012, 05:16 PM
That makes sense because you are not Baby Boomer. Your generation was responsible for ushering in the modern rock movement.

I am an early fifty-something, and I feel like a youngster at Signature Club events. I can safely say that the majority of the Signature Club members that I have encountered are either Baby Boomers or people who were born at the tail end of the Silent Generation.

Well, I'm happy to be considered a "younger" musician. Makes me feel better about turning 40. ;)

I will say this--keep an open mind about seeing Tremonti, he's an outstanding guitarist.

Perhaps PRS is hoping to encourage younger musicians to join the Signature Club.

bluefade
08-11-2012, 10:18 PM
Easy on Hans,as he's an expert on people he deems SOCIALLY INEPT!!

wilerty
08-11-2012, 11:27 PM
Each year there seems to be someone who is upset about what artists are playing and whatever night they are playing. I REALLY appreciate the weekend and consider it a bit tacky to make these kind of comments. In this market, I'm really glad PRS is still putting on this weekend.

Also ... I'm 66 and enjoy listening to Mark ...

Thursday night is about renewing old friendships, starting new ones, havng a bite/brew, lengthening the Experience by one day ... and listening to music ...

vchizzle
08-11-2012, 11:56 PM
Each year there seems to be someone who is upset about what artists are playing and whatever night they are playing. I REALLY appreciate the weekend and consider it a bit tacky to make these kind of comments. In this market, I'm really glad PRS is still putting on this weekend.

Also ... I'm 66 and enjoy listening to Mark ...

Thursday night is about renewing old friendships, starting new ones, havng a bite/brew, lengthening the Experience by one day ... and listening to music ...

Well put. I get the argument and sentiment, but geez, we're talking about a large event put on here. Shawn already said they appreciate any time(whenever they can) they can play. I'm just happy that PRS puts this on and that I can actually make it this year. How bout we stop the arguing on something like this?

FrankiePRS
08-12-2012, 12:08 AM
I believe that I have a pretty darn good handle on the music that my generation prefers to hear. What percentage of the musicians that you personally know are over forty years of age? If we increase the lower bound to over fifty years of age, what does the percentage look like? All of the musicians in my peer group are over forty years of age, and more than half are over fifty years of age. Not one of these musicians listens to modern rock unless they forced to do so by their children.

Wow. You "believe" you have a handle on what "your" generation prefers to hear. Really? I'd say you have a bunch of closed-minded geezers for friends.


I know it is difficult for younger musicians to understand, but most older guitarists do not care for modern rock. For them, guitar pretty much went on a downhill spiral after "Nevermore" was released. If given their choice between John McLaughlin and Mark Tremonti, most would pick John McLaughlin.

Seriously? Do you know "most" older guitarists? Were you elected to speak for them? Having (and stating) your own opinion is fine, but why do you feel the need to make sweeping generalizations that are supported by nothing more than opinion and alleged anecdotal evidence?

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08-13-2012, 01:39 PM
I'd like to respond to some comments before I get this thread back on track...

(Mod Hat off)


Hans: You are a better man than that comment makes you appear.
Which comment are you referring to? I said "I work with a lot of guys replete with technical knowledge. They tend to be socially inept"?

What is it about that comment that makes you think I was speaking to you? And how does that reflect poorly one me?


Attack the message, not the messenger!
I assumed that the message originated from the messenger -- making you the proverbial horses... ummm... mouth. I didn't realize you were just the errand boy.

:rolleyes:

On the off chance you did, in fact, hold the monthly meeting of "Cranky Old Guys Who Want You Off Their Lawn" then you have my sincere apologies.


Character assassination is a sign that one has lost the argument.
I guess I didn't realize this was an argument. I deliberately made a blanket statement (about the Dynamicists on my team) that I can't quantify. If you have decided that my generalization applies to you, that's your business.

Given your 3 attempts to respond to me (I like the 1st 2 better, BTW), I'm guessing you didn't get the point of the post. Doubtless, as you choke on my hook, you get it now.

Your comments are tacky, condescending to younger members of this community, and have the potential to insult PRS Artists who really don't deserve it. Telling you as much (which I'll happily do in person when I see you in September) isn't character assassination; not by a long shot. Please stop being such a Drama Queen.

(Mod hat back on)

I would like to invite everyone to re-read the PRS Sig Club benefits list. Click here. (http://prsguitars.com/signatureclub/)

If you are among the few who aren't happy about the line-up at the Sig Club this year, I suggest waiting to renew your membership next year - if at all. Once the line-up is announced, you can decide whether or not the juice is worth the squeeze.

If you signed-up BEFORE the line-up was announced and are now unhappy with the Artist(s) and/or their performance date, please remember that none of the things you signed up for come with a promise to present specific artists at specific dates and times - pending membership approval. Complaining about the Artist(s) performing at the Sig Club event is like trying to return a partially-winning lottery ticket as defective.

Danerada
08-13-2012, 02:08 PM
I love the Sig event....I don't care who's playing. Good gutiar is good gutiar in my opinion. I'm glad to pay the $60 bucks...t-shirt, strings, and music?! Oh yeah....

crgtr
08-13-2012, 02:35 PM
Another Mother Further.....nuff said...... MF BABY!!!! Can't friggin' wait!!

james
08-13-2012, 02:59 PM
Isn't he there every year? I mean, I'm trying not to assume...but...I'd be bummed not to see him play in some way shape or form.

Don't be bummed.

Grissom will be here!

vchizzle
08-13-2012, 05:54 PM
Don't be bummed.

Grissom will be here!
Sweet, Dave's a beast.

Em7
08-15-2012, 04:20 PM
On the off chance you did, in fact, hold the monthly meeting of "Cranky Old Guys Who Want You Off Their Lawn" then you have my sincere apologies.


It was more like the monthly meeting of "Cranky Old Guys Want You Off Their Lawn" because they are so cheap that they squeak. :)

Truth be told, my sole reason for joining the Signature Club was to be able to attend the Signature Club event at Experience. The Signature Club line-up in 2009 piqued my interest enough to hand over the membership fee, as I have zero interest in receiving the quarterly publication or the swag. I was on the fence about renewing my membership this year because of the almost non-existent Signature Club event in 2010 coupled with the fact that I did not enjoy 2011's Signature Club performance enough to justify the expense. However, I decided to roll the dice again and take a chance on this year's Signature Club event.

With that said, I personally believe that PRS should announce the Signature Club headliner when they announce Experience because the Signature Club event is not free. I know that I am not the only member who renews his/her Signature Club membership for the sole purpose of being able to attend the Signature Club event. I would gladly give up the swag and the publication in return for knowing who is going to be the headliner at the time that Experience is announced. I am positive that a much larger number of twenty-something and thirty-something PRS owners would have joined the Signature Club this year had they known that Mark Tremonti was going to be the headliner instead of someone who they consider to be a fossil.

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08-15-2012, 04:26 PM
It was more like the monthly meeting of "Cranky Old Guys Want You Off Their Lawn" because they are so cheap that they squeak. :)

Truth be told, my sole reason for joining the Signature Club was to be able to attend the Signature Club event at Experience. The Signature Club line-up in 2009 piqued my interest enough to hand over the membership fee, as I have zero interest in receiving the quarterly publication or the swag. I was on the fence about renewing my membership this year because of the almost non-existent Signature Club event in 2010 coupled with the fact that I did not enjoy 2011's Signature Club performance enough to justify the expense. However, I decided to roll the dice again and take a chance on this year's Signature Club event.

With that said, I personally believe that PRS should announce the Signature Club headliner when they announce Experience because the Signature Club event is not free. I know that I am not the only member who renews his/her Signature Club membership for the sole purpose of being able to attend the Signature Club event. I would gladly give up the swag and the publication in return for knowing who is going to be the headliner at the time that Experience is announced. I am positive that a much larger number of twenty-something and thirty-something PRS owners would have joined the Signature Club this year had they known that Mark Tremonti was going to be the headliner instead of someone who they consider to be a fossil.
So, again, I find your logic on the whole discussion to be based on false assumptions - which is why I asked people to review the list of things PRS offers with the Sig Club membership package. It is true that the Sig Club events are not free because you paid to be a member. But what you are commenting on (the performers on the schedule AT the events) was not detailed as a perq of joining. As such, you are making a leap of logic when you assert that the performances were part of the $60 fee. That isn't true. NO performances were promised - only admission to the events (when scheduled) was promised.

Nowhere on the list of Sig Club benefits (click here (http://prsguitars.com/signatureclub/)) do they guarantee live or recorded performances - much less specific performers. While they have done it anyway (call it a gift) I think it is unreasonable to be given the inch and try to take the mile. That said, I think it is completely reasonable for people who sign-up for the Sig Club specifically for the Sig Event at Experience to wait until the schedule is announced before spending their $60.

To reiterate...

Signature Club Benefits

Member Welcome Pack - includes “Members Only” Signature Club t-shirt, strings, guitar picks, Member Certificate, PRS lanyard, PRS Signature magazine, Signature Club truss rod cover (will be shipped 6-8 weeks after enrollment)
10% off on all accessories in PRS Accessory Shop
US Signature Club members only
Subscription to Signature Club e-newsletter which includes special features as well as “Paul’s Tech Tips”
Admission to future “Members Only” sessions as they are scheduled
25% off all online Mel Bay (http://prsguitars.com/melbay/) purchases*
$60 plus shipping & handling
*Signature Club Members outside of the US must call in their order to receive discount.

Michael B
08-15-2012, 05:05 PM
Bravo Hans!!!

Em7
08-15-2012, 05:41 PM
So, again, I find your logic on the whole discussion to be based on false assumptions - which is why I asked people to review the list of things PRS offers with the Sig Club membership package. It is true that the Sig Club events are not free because you paid to be a member. But what you are commenting on (the performers on the schedule AT the events) was not detailed as a perq of joining. As such, you are making a leap of logic when you assert that the performances were part of the $60 fee. That isn't true. NO performances were promised - only admission to the events (when scheduled) was promised.

Nowhere on the list of Sig Club benefits (click here (http://prsguitars.com/signatureclub/)) do they guarantee live or recorded performances - much less specific performers. While they have done it anyway (call it a gift) I think it is unreasonable to be given the inch and try to take the mile. That said, I think it is completely reasonable for people who sign-up for the Sig Club specifically for the Sig Event at Experience to wait until the schedule is announced before spending their $60.

To reiterate...

Signature Club Benefits

Member Welcome Pack - includes “Members Only” Signature Club t-shirt, strings, guitar picks, Member Certificate, PRS lanyard, PRS Signature magazine, Signature Club truss rod cover (will be shipped 6-8 weeks after enrollment)
10% off on all accessories in PRS Accessory Shop
US Signature Club members only
Subscription to Signature Club e-newsletter which includes special features as well as “Paul’s Tech Tips”
Admission to future “Members Only” sessions as they are scheduled
25% off all online Mel Bay (http://prsguitars.com/melbay/) purchases*
$60 plus shipping & handling
*Signature Club Members outside of the US must call in their order to receive discount.


The Signature Club event at Experience may not be an enumerated benefit, but, like it or not, it is the only reason why many people join and continue to be a member of the Signature Club. Interest in the Signature Club increases when PRS announces that there will be a special members-only evening at Experience. Failure to hold a proper Signature Club event at Experience would result in a sizable decline in the member base.

Do you recall the number of people on BaM who stated that they were not planning to renew their Signature Club memberships after Experience 2010? Do you also recall the spike in the number BaMmers who joined the Signature Club last year because PRS brought the event back to Experience? The same spike in interest in the Signature Club occurred this year when PRS announced that there would be a special members-only night at Experience.

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08-15-2012, 06:18 PM
The Signature Club event at Experience may not be an enumerated benefit, but, like it or not, it is the only reason why many people join and continue to be a member of the Signature Club.
I agree. The Sig Club event is the only reason some people join. I'll say a 3rd time -- I think it is completely reasonable for those people to wait until the performances and/or performers are announced with a schedule before they renew their membership.

But to expect something no one ever promised implies a level of entitlement that I find incredibly hard to to stomach.


Interest in the Signature Club increases when PRS announces that there will be a special members-only evening at Experience.
While I can't quantify any support for that statement (nor can you) I believe you're probably correct on this point.


Failure to hold a proper Signature Club event at Experience would result in a sizable decline in the member base.
Probably. But then you'll have differences of opinion on what constitutes a "proper" event. No good deed will ever go unpunished.

Either way, you agreed to pay $60 for admission to Sig Club events (when they are schedule). You were never promised live performances by bona fide rockstars on "demographically appropriate" dates.


Do you recall the number of people on BaM who stated that they were not planning to renew their Signature Club memberships after Experience 2010?
I don't.


Do you also recall the spike in the number BaMmers who joined the Signature Club last year because PRS brought the event back to Experience?
I don't. But I do recall the number of people who were bummed they didn't get to see Carlos and Buddy Guy in a remarkably intimate venue.

I assume the "spike" you're referring to is based on your perception? Or did you get to see some data from PRS? Did you capture the comments into some spreadsheet we can see? Look, I'm not necessarily disagreeing with you on this point but I am think it's fair to make sure people who read this stuff don't confuse opinions with facts.


The same spike in interest in the Signature Club occurred this year when PRS announced that there would be a special members-only night at Experience.
What "spike in interest" are you referring to? Again... data?

FACTS:
1) You aren't a PRS employee and you have no access to hard numbers to include dempographic data on Sig Club members
2) You paid for a membership that offered specific perqs - which you agreed to before you spent the $
3) When you got something MORE than the perq you were offered, you lodged a complaint in the court of public opinion that the extra benefit you received (that you were never promised) wasn't to your taste

So here's the deal, Em7 (again, I'm sorry I don't remember your name)... I can't stand it when people fail to commit to their complaints. So let's put this to bed, shall we? I will personally give you $60 in cash on the 1st day of the Experience. In return, give me all of the schwag you got when you signed up for the Sig Club this year (assuming you haven't worn the shirt or used the strings). AND... you agree to be absent from the Sig Club event the night before.

JMintzer
08-15-2012, 07:26 PM
So, again, I find your logic on the whole discussion to be based on false assumptions - which is why I asked people to review the list of things PRS offers with the Sig Club membership package. It is true that the Sig Club events are not free because you paid to be a member. But what you are commenting on (the performers on the schedule AT the events) was not detailed as a perq of joining. As such, you are making a leap of logic when you assert that the performances were part of the $60 fee. That isn't true. NO performances were promised - only admission to the events (when scheduled) was promised.

Nowhere on the list of Sig Club benefits (click here (http://prsguitars.com/signatureclub/)) do they guarantee live or recorded performances - much less specific performers. While they have done it anyway (call it a gift) I think it is unreasonable to be given the inch and try to take the mile. That said, I think it is completely reasonable for people who sign-up for the Sig Club specifically for the Sig Event at Experience to wait until the schedule is announced before spending their $60.

To reiterate...

Signature Club Benefits

Member Welcome Pack - includes “Members Only” Signature Club t-shirt, strings, guitar picks, Member Certificate, PRS lanyard, PRS Signature magazine, Signature Club truss rod cover (will be shipped 6-8 weeks after enrollment)
10% off on all accessories in PRS Accessory Shop
US Signature Club members only
Subscription to Signature Club e-newsletter which includes special features as well as “Paul’s Tech Tips”
Admission to future “Members Only” sessions as they are scheduled
25% off all online Mel Bay (http://prsguitars.com/melbay/) purchases*
$60 plus shipping & handling
*Signature Club Members outside of the US must call in their order to receive discount.


Don't forget, you get one of these...

http://www.asiancajuns.com/images/monly2.jpg

themike
08-15-2012, 07:27 PM
I join the sig club for the subscription to the PRS Signature magazine - that along is worth the price. Factor in a shirt, strings, certificate, discount on Mel Bay stuff (great products) and trussrod Cover I don't understand how we're arguing about the price's worth going ONLY to the Sig Club Event :\

Em7
08-15-2012, 10:47 PM
I don't.


I don't. But I do recall the number of people who were bummed they didn't get to see Carlos and Buddy Guy in a remarkably intimate venue.

I assume the "spike" you're referring to is based on your perception? Or did you get to see some data from PRS? Did you capture the comments into some spreadsheet we can see? Look, I'm not necessarily disagreeing with you on this point but I am think it's fair to make sure people who read this stuff don't confuse opinions with facts.

What "spike in interest" are you referring to? Again... data?


I received information informally from the Sullivan Group when I called to see if the lapse in renewing my membership was going to affect my Experience registration. The women with whom I spoke did not provide hard numbers, but she did mention that there were new membership/renewal spikes in 2011 and 2012 after Experience was announced. The correlation may be purely coincidental. Many people may naturally register at that time of the year. However, it is logical to assume that some people do wait until Experience has been announced to join or renew, which tells me that they are joining to gain access to the event.



FACTS:
1) You aren't a PRS employee and you have no access to hard numbers to include dempographic data on Sig Club members


I am working merely from an observed ratio of graying/gray to non-gray heads at the Signature Club event. Outside of performers, themike is the youngest guy that I have met at a Signature Club event that was not there with his parents.



So let's put this to bed, shall we? I will personally give you $60 in cash on the 1st day of the Experience. In return, give me all of the schwag you got when you signed up for the Sig Club this year (assuming you haven't worn the shirt or used the strings). AND... you agree to be absent from the Sig Club event the night before.

I did not stay for Opeth last year. Why would I come to see a band or performer that I have no interest in seeing? It's not like I am flying in from halfway across the country or world. I can drive to the factory in less than ninety minutes without traffic. Sure, I am unhappy about the situation, but the money is spent.

A word of advice to anyone who is thinking about joining the Signature Club to gain access to the members-only event at Experience is that you should seriously consider what Hans has enumerated as the true benefits of being a member of the program. If the enumerated benefits are not enough of an incentive to join, I would take a pass. I never had any interest in the swag or the publication (I prefer to read Wood & Steel, which I receive for free for being a registered Taylor owner). My sole reason for joining the Signature Club and renewing my membership was to gain access to the Signature Club event, which is clearly the wrong way to go about it.

wilerty
08-15-2012, 11:21 PM
I did not stay for Opeth last year. Why would I come to see a band or performer that I have no interest in seeing? It's not like I am flying in from halfway across the country or world. I can drive to the factory in less than ninety minutes without traffic. Sure, I am unhappy about the situation, but the money is spent.

A word of advice to anyone who is thinking about joining the Signature Club to gain access to the members-only event at Experience is that you should seriously consider what Hans has enumerated as the true benefits of being a member of the program. If the enumerated benefits are not enough of an incentive to join, I would take a pass. I never had any interest in the swag or the publication (I prefer to read Wood & Steel, which I receive for free for being a registered Taylor owner). My sole reason for joining the Signature Club and renewing my membership was to gain access to the Signature Club event, which is clearly the wrong way to go about it.

Just wow ... Now you've gone from tacky to rude and classless. It is seems that you haven't made any forum friends from around the country (or world) that you might want to meet up with Thursday. It certainly wouldn't be interesting to be able to spend some one on one time with Doug Sewell at a less crowded gathering? Now that you won't be there, wouldn't it be wonderful if we had a surprise artist, like the year Carlos and Buddy were there. Sorry you won't be there ...

Hans ... you have shown great restraint ...

Em7
08-15-2012, 11:22 PM
I join the sig club for the subscription to the PRS Signature magazine - that along is worth the price. Factor in a shirt, strings, certificate, discount on Mel Bay stuff (great products) and trussrod Cover I don't understand how we're arguing about the price's worth going ONLY to the Sig Club Event :\

The stuff that PRS includes in the membership other than the t-shirt, strings, and guitar picks is useless junk that only serves to clutter one's house. Mel Bay products are much cheaper through Amazon. The publication pales in comparison to Wood & Steel, which is free to all registered Taylor owners. Wood & Steel has real guitar-maker related content. Signature Magazine is mostly artist-related fluff.

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08-15-2012, 11:45 PM
The stuff that PRS includes in the membership other than the t-shirt, strings, and guitar picks is useless junk that only serves to clutter one's house. Mel Bay products are much cheaper through Amazon. The publication pales in comparison to Wood & Steel, which is free to all registered Taylor owners. Wood & Steel has real guitar-maker related content. Signature Magazine is mostly artist-related fluff.
:rolleyes: Aaaaalright then...

Moving on...

I am really looking forward to seeing you guys in a few weeks! I promised myself I'd actually watch some of the acts this year instead of jaw-jackin' with guys the whole time - but there's a lot to discuss this year!

Anyone taking bets on the rest of the AB guys showing up with Mark?

vchizzle
08-15-2012, 11:59 PM
My sole reason for joining the Signature Club and renewing my membership was to gain access to the Signature Club event, which is clearly the wrong way to go about it.
Clearly.

Hey PRS, I was really hoping for a different style Sig Club t-shirt. I really liked the style of that black shirt that just had birds across the front. That was really a cool shirt. And could you supply me with my custom gauge strings...11 14 18 36 52 60. Would be a lot more useful for me. Green tortex picks with my name printed on them would be great.

Would be really nice if Paul would wash and dry my t-shirt before it arrives. I like after the rain scented detergent and outdoor breeze fabric softener sheets. The new t-shirt smell kinda bugs me.













Ok, that last item isn't necessary. That would just be piling on. :)

vchizzle
08-16-2012, 12:01 AM
:rolleyes: Aaaaalright then...

Moving on...

I am really looking forward to seeing you guys in a few weeks! I promised myself I'd actually watch some of the acts this year instead of jaw-jackin' with guys the whole time - but there's a lot to discuss this year!

Anyone taking bets on the rest of the AB guys showing up with Mark?
Would LOVE for Myles to come! Love his playing as well as his voice.

Jhenri
08-16-2012, 12:34 AM
Would LOVE for Myles to come! Love his playing as well as his voice.

Most likely you'll see Brian as he play's bass for the Tremonti band. Doubtful of Myles as Slash plays in Atlanta, Ga on the 12th and Alantic City, NJ on the 14th. Possible but extremely unlikely.

Michael B
08-16-2012, 05:52 AM
One of the other perks to the signature club is when Paul and folks from the factory do special apperances at stores around the country...not all are just for sig members...but some are.

vchizzle
08-16-2012, 08:59 AM
One of the other perks to the signature club is when Paul and folks from the factory do special apperances at stores around the country...not all are just for sig members...but some are.
I've been to a few non-sig events, really cool events to go to.

Michael B
08-16-2012, 03:11 PM
Yes they are!!! Especially when Len's there doing free setups on your PRS!!!!

Michael B
08-16-2012, 03:13 PM
That would be awesome if Myles and Slash showed up!!

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08-16-2012, 03:37 PM
That would be awesome if Myles and Slash showed up!!

Wouldn't that be amazing.

I'm also hoping for Nugent to show up one of these years. To see Ted and Derek do Stranglehold (together) would be a check-mark on the old musical bucketlist.

markie
08-16-2012, 04:57 PM
Wouldn't that be amazing.

I'm also hoping for Nugent to show up one of these years. To see Ted and Derek do Stranglehold (together) would be a check-mark on the old musical bucketlist.





Yah-mon!!!!!!!!!

alantig
08-16-2012, 10:53 PM
I'm also hoping for Nugent to show up one of these years. To see Ted and Derek do Stranglehold (together) would be a check-mark on the old musical bucketlist.

I've been hoping for that as well, but I finally saw them together on Ted's tour last year. It doesn't diminish my desire for it to happen at Experience, though!

And to tread where I probably shouldn't...the Sig Club events at Experience are just a bonus to me. I get enough value out of the strings, shirt, picks and TRC in the swag. I've only been to the Sig Club events at Experience, none of the traveling ones. I can't say I've been universally thrilled with the events, but I can't say I've been horribly disappointed, either. Sure, there have been artists at both the Sig Club events and the regular Experience concerts that have been not my cup of tea, but there is a wide range of folks that PRS Guitars appeal to. There's only one act that I've left Experience during (they were the last act that night, and I found them really not to my liking). There have been artists that just didn't engage me but are revered by others - that's life, that's music. While some generalizations can be drawn, I think the characterizations made here border more on stereotypes. I'm not the oldest guy in SC, but I'm not the youngest either - my tastes are all over the board. I loved Buddy Guy - but Opeth blew me away as well. Same with Emil Werstler and Bernie Marsden. Or just about any other diverse combination of artists - and it's not something that's unique to me. Hell, I have a picture of Tony McManus digging Opeth last year.

As for the SC events - wasn't 2010 the year they did the master classes? I'm not sure who was disappointed with that, but I had a blast with Davy Knowles, Dave Weiner and David Grissom. The only disappointment I had was finding out what I missed at Howard Leese's class.

Daniel
08-17-2012, 04:13 AM
Each year there seems to be someone who is upset about what artists are playing and whatever night they are playing. I REALLY appreciate the weekend and consider it a bit tacky to make these kind of comments. In this market, I'm really glad PRS is still putting on this weekend.

Also ... I'm 66 and enjoy listening to Mark ...

Thursday night is about renewing old friendships, starting new ones, havng a bite/brew, lengthening the Experience by one day ... and listening to music ...

Well said Bill.

I am happy Mark is playing Thursday because that is the only day I'll be there (maybe early Friday). I guess I'm a freak since I'm "greying" but still like new rock music and don't limit myself to classic bands and their knock-offs. I didn't know anything about Opeth before last year, now I'm a fan. I can honestly say I've never been disapointed with the Experience. There was one group I didn't care for but that was only one of the many. My only complaint is they were forced to move the date this year and I have a conflict that will prevent me from attending all three days. But I'll see you Thursday night!

gear_freak
08-17-2012, 02:18 PM
I can't wait! I appreciate the fact the PRS goes to such lengths to put on this event. I can't believe last year was my first time. I sure was missing out! Thanks to the PRS Team!!!!!

Shawn@PRS
08-17-2012, 08:59 PM
For all of you flying into BWI Airport. As you leave the terminal and get on the escalator to go down to the "baggage claim" area, look up slightly and you will see a poster of Paul standing in the hot room holding a guitar. The state of Maryland is using Paul and other prominent Marylanders to promote the state.

aduayer
08-17-2012, 10:19 PM
For all of you flying into BWI Airport. As you leave the terminal and get on the escalator to go down to the "baggage claim" area, look up slightly and you will see a poster of Paul standing in the hot room holding a guitar. The state of Maryland is using Paul and other prominent Marylanders to promote the state.
I am going by car, but I will try to convince my friend from Jersey to stop by BWI Airport just to see that...LOL

andy474x
08-17-2012, 10:35 PM
Wouldn't that be amazing.

I'm also hoping for Nugent to show up one of these years. To see Ted and Derek do Stranglehold (together) would be a check-mark on the old musical bucketlist.

I saw the Nuge (w/Derek)in Michigan when I was home last summer, definitely puts on a great show! If you're familiar with Ted, you know seeing him in Northern MI is a real treat. He puts the pedal to the floor for the whole show, and it is LOUD!

vchizzle
08-18-2012, 09:46 AM
For all of you flying into BWI Airport. As you leave the terminal and get on the escalator to go down to the "baggage claim" area, look up slightly and you will see a poster of Paul standing in the hot room holding a guitar. The state of Maryland is using Paul and other prominent Marylanders to promote the state.That's very cool!

MrKnaggs
08-21-2012, 08:28 PM
A friend of mine, guitarist/composer John McLaughlin is also supposed to be playing there.

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08-21-2012, 10:55 PM
A friend of mine, guitarist/composer John McLaughlin is also supposed to be playing there.
Check out the 1st post in this thread. He's mentioned.

francric
08-23-2012, 08:58 PM
I don't consider myself an old fart maybe if you go by my age I may qualify..............................BRING ON MARK TREMONTI

themike
08-24-2012, 06:56 PM
I'm fairly certain its OK to post this - guess whose coming to out to playyyyyyy

http://i50.tinypic.com/2crq78n.jpg

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08-24-2012, 07:01 PM
Sweet! Emil's a fantastic player.

Shawn@PRS
08-24-2012, 07:15 PM
I'm fairly certain its OK to post this - guess whose coming to out to playyyyyyy

http://i50.tinypic.com/2crq78n.jpg

Emil is a bad mofro!

Danerada
08-24-2012, 07:28 PM
Emil is a great player...very versatile and a cool moro to boot....

Em7
08-24-2012, 09:30 PM
Emil is a great player...very versatile and a cool moro to boot....

I consider Emil to be part of the Experience MVP club (along with Davy Knowles, Bernie Marsden, David Grissom, Nicky Moroch, Mike Ault, and the Grainger Brothers).

GC Ron
08-24-2012, 11:56 PM
The Experience offers visitors to see an amazing range of players. I feel sorry for those that go in with a closed mind against a style that they think they may not enjoy. Maybe bluegrass isn't for everyone but being able to see a F5 Loar mandolin being played is something special. Al's accordion player is possibly the best musician I have ever seen live. I wasn't an Opeth fan but after seeing them I have been converted. I talked to others that also had their mind changed after their set. Family Force Five? Not my cup of tea but I was impressed by their show and their energy.

To those that are going this year have fun Thursday night and drink one for me.

themike
08-25-2012, 12:10 AM
To those that are going this year have fun Thursday night and drink one for me.


You'll be missed, Ron! Definitely wanted to buy you a drink! Oh well, there's always EXP 2013 :)

crgtr
08-25-2012, 07:22 AM
You'll be missed, Ron! Definitely wanted to buy you a drink! Oh well, there's always EXP 2013 :)

I owe you a drink for Abby too! So it looks like your 1st two are covered next year!

38Roars
08-28-2012, 10:24 AM
I am getting PUMPED!!

vchizzle
08-30-2012, 12:47 AM
2 WEEKS!!! Really happy Clint Lowery(Sevendust, Dark New Day, Call Me No One, Hello Demons...) is there. I actually knew that a few weeks ago but didn't wanna spill the beans cause I figured his SE sig would be released. Been a big fan of his for a long time.

plankowner
09-06-2012, 02:26 AM
For me, I miss Jim Mccarty.He is the man.

wilerty
09-06-2012, 08:05 AM
I miss Johnny Hiland ...

themike
09-06-2012, 08:15 AM
I miss Johnny Hiland ...

I have a feeling he misses us, too - I haven't seen him out on the road much :(

aduayer
09-06-2012, 08:23 AM
I miss Johnny Hiland ...
I was amazing to watch him playing at Experience.

Aldwyn
09-06-2012, 12:19 PM
Agreed on Hiland... fantastic player, and super nice guy, albeit shy.

Danerada
09-06-2012, 06:40 PM
I miss Johnny Hiland ...

I'm with ya there...

Ravens23
09-11-2012, 08:06 PM
No Howard Leese this year???

Buildermike
09-11-2012, 08:22 PM
I'll miss Bugs.

Ravens23
09-12-2012, 09:22 AM
I'll miss Bugs.

Me too ...