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docbennett
10-09-2012, 12:09 PM
While I wait for my question to be answered by customer service, perhaps I can pass this on to the entire forum.

I was questioning whether the guitar whose serial number I sent in had an Indian or Brazilian Rosewood neck. the seller insists BRW. He tells me that the PRS website indicates that IRW necks did not start until 2003. this is a 2001 McCarty...here is the hang tag...

http://i.ebayimg.com/t/2001-Paul-Reed-Smith-Guitar-McCarty-22-LE-w-Solid-Brazilian-Rosewood-Neck-/00/s/MTYwMFgxMTk1/$%28KGrHqZHJCYF%21Io-260mBQceIbs%286Q%7E%7E60_57.JPG


The tag just says "Rosewood". The serial number is 58028, from 2001 (8-10-01). I can't post pictures of the guitar, but the neck is definitely rosewood...I just want to verify that it's Brazilian. The guitar has been purchased already, but is awaiting final verification of the status of the neck wood prior to being shipped/paid for.
PRS Customer service...if you see this before my email from yesterday is replied to...feel free to reply via the forum for everyone to see. thanks!

]-[ @ n $ 0 |v| a T !
10-09-2012, 12:20 PM
Do we get to see pics of the neck? I'm betting it's IRW.

cjmwrx
10-09-2012, 12:29 PM
-[ @ n $ 0 |v| a T ! ;25346']Do we get to see pics of the neck? I'm betting it's IRW.

+1 Brazzy necks that I have seen always say Brazilian on the hang tag.

prsguitarman101
10-09-2012, 12:36 PM
It is Indian Rosewood. On your modcat code the letter "I" in the eighth position indicated Indian, had it been Brazilian it would have been a "B"

Twinfan
10-09-2012, 12:46 PM
^ yep, what the man said :)

http://www.gearacquisitionsyndrome.com/2008/04/deciphering-prs-modcat-hang-tagcase.html

prsguitarman101
10-09-2012, 12:56 PM
I need to correct myself it is the 9th letter, or the third one from the right. ;)
:p22::408::408mt:

Mike Duncan
10-09-2012, 01:04 PM
That guitar was completed on my birthday...so cool.

docbennett
10-09-2012, 01:05 PM
Here is the guitar....sold, but payment pending confirmation....it seemed too good to be true...

http://www.ebay.com/itm/320997524653?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1497.l2649

slowro
10-09-2012, 01:24 PM
listed in the pre 1980 section? thats a good start

Brewer
10-09-2012, 02:17 PM
It is likely that the guitar was misrepresented, based upon what has been presented here. It appears to be a standard Indian rosewood neck McCarty. Very nice guitar, but significantly overpriced if it is IRW. Sorry for the potentially bad news, but I'd want to know and I'm sure you do, too.

docbennett
10-09-2012, 02:36 PM
It is likely that the guitar was misrepresented, based upon what has been presented here. It appears to be a standard Indian rosewood neck McCarty. Very nice guitar, but significantly overpriced if it is IRW. Sorry for the potentially bad news, but I'd want to know and I'm sure you do, too.

That's why I love the forum. I emailed PRS customer service yesterday morning and have yet to hear back. I realize they are extremely busy, and that's why I find the forum so useful....valuable information..... and from guys I trust. Anyway, payment was held, contingent upon verification of BRW, so I guess this guy is going to have to list it again...and hopefully represent it correctly this time. I know the dealer, so I am very surprised by the turn of events. "Toys from the Attic' has been around for nearly 20 years that I can remember, and they were always straight shooters. Anyway, I saved 3 grand and potential heartburn as well.

prsguitarman101
10-09-2012, 02:40 PM
That is why it is almost essential to be able to decipher the MODCAT codes for PRS guitars. The neck and the fingerboard are IRW. Still a very nice guitar! I know I would be proud to own it. :D
Here is the MODCAT for this particular guitar in case you want to save it for future refeference:
Model=McCarty
Top Wood=Maple
Frets=22
Top Spec=Figured
Top Spec=10 Top
Neck Wood=Indian Rosewood
Neck Carve=Wide/Fat
Fingerboard=Indian Rosewood
Inlay=Birds
Bridge=Straight Stoptail
Color=Tortoise Shell
Hardware=Nickel
Treble Pup=McCarty
Bass Pup=McCarty

Brewer
10-09-2012, 02:45 PM
It is probably an innocent mistake. A reputable dealer would not likely jeopardize their reputation by deliberately misrepresenting IRW as BRW.

An unethical dealer might get away with something like that once or twice, but word spreads quickly. Hopefully, they will apologize and lower the price to you and/or offer to cancel the sale, no questions asked.

Of course, if they then relist it as BRW (especially after it was questioned), I would smell a big festering rat at the other end of that deal, unless they can produce documented proof it is BRW!

docbennett
10-09-2012, 02:52 PM
I know the dealer and he has already apologized. The deal was contingent on it being BRW, so I never paid and he was able to recoup his Ebay final value fee as well. However, someone else, who does not have access to the fund of knowledge here...and who wouldn't know to contact PRS customer service....would have gotten screwed. As it is, no harm done.

]-[ @ n $ 0 |v| a T !
10-09-2012, 03:01 PM
That is why it is almost essential to be able to decipher the MODCAT codes for PRS guitars.
That's true but it gets tricky with guitars that had custom options around the time the MODCAT was being developed (1999'ish?).

This Gold Top, as an example, pre-dates the limited run of Brazilian Rosewood (neck) McCartys. The MODCAT says it has an Indian Rosewood neck but it is certainly Brazilian.

http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd272/hansomatic/Collection/Dirty30Goldtop/Goldtop_back.jpg

docbennett
10-09-2012, 04:10 PM
-[ @ n $ 0 |v| a T ! ;25380']That's true but it gets tricky with guitars that had custom options around the time the MODCAT was being developed (1999'ish?).

This Gold Top, as an example, pre-dates the limited run of Brazilian Rosewood (neck) McCartys. The MODCAT says it has an Indian Rosewood neck but it is certainly Brazilian.

http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd272/hansomatic/Collection/Dirty30Goldtop/Goldtop_back.jpg


Wow....nice dark chocolate neck!! :rock:Whaddya want in trade for it???? :o That's the "MOAB's" If I recall correctly!!!:adore:

Artist
10-09-2012, 04:43 PM
I know the dealer, so I am very surprised by the turn of events. "Toys from the Attic' has been around for nearly 20 years that I can remember, and they were always straight shooters. Anyway, I saved 3 grand and potential heartburn as well.

I know Toys from the Attic, think I have bought some things from them. Those guys have been online sellers almost since the beginnings of Ebay too. Apparently they are using a new account as I've always had this one as my faved sellers http://stores.ebay.com/Toys-From-The-Attic-Inc

Good they resolved it nicely.

Twinfan
10-10-2012, 03:11 AM
-[ @ n $ 0 |v| a T ! ;25380']That's true but it gets tricky with guitars that had custom options around the time the MODCAT was being developed (1999'ish?).

This Gold Top, as an example, pre-dates the limited run of Brazilian Rosewood (neck) McCartys. The MODCAT says it has an Indian Rosewood neck but it is certainly Brazilian.

How do you know for sure?

Aldwyn
10-10-2012, 06:15 AM
Hey Hans... I'll trade you my prototype 305 for that BRW McCarty. ;)

docbennett
10-10-2012, 07:00 AM
How do you know for sure?

That is the "MOAB" McCarty.:adore: If he told you, he'd have to kill you!! :o

Twinfan
10-10-2012, 07:10 AM
Must have missed that on BaM!

bfitz
01-04-2013, 02:49 PM
I can tell you for fact that they made indian rosewood necks in 2001 cause I own one, In 2001 the Indian rosewood neck was an option that you had to custom order.
Mine is not marked with "I" or "B" but is for sure a solid raw Indian rosewood neck. One way to tell is that the IRW is much darker chocolate color where as the BRW
is much lighter almost tan. hope that helps!

docbennett
01-04-2013, 03:00 PM
I can tell you for fact that they made indian rosewood necks in 2001 cause I own one, In 2001 the Indian rosewood neck was an option that you had to custom order.
Mine is not marked with "I" or "B" but is for sure a solid raw Indian rosewood neck. One way to tell is that the IRW is much darker chocolate color where as the BRW
is much lighter almost tan. hope that helps!


Careful now....I've seen lots of BRW necks that were darker than IRW in my PRS travels. Seen some pretty light colored IRW as well.
PRS's BRW has shown wide fluctuation in its coloring... I've seen lots of BRW PRS with necks that were almost black...and I've seen some necks that were very light colored, or necks that changed shade dramatically from top to bottom.

I mean, look at Hans' quintessential BRW "MOAB" Mac....I'd call that neck as close to black as it gets.....


http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd272/hansomatic/Collection/Dirty30Goldtop/Goldtop_back.jpg

11top
01-04-2013, 03:21 PM
One way to tell is that the IRW is much darker chocolate color where as the BRW
is much lighter almost tan. hope that helps!

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rugerpc
01-04-2013, 03:28 PM
Hans' MOAB?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cuGrDSP0rj8

docbennett
01-04-2013, 03:45 PM
Hans' MOAB?

The self proclaimed "Mother of all Brazilians"

Dirty Bob
01-04-2013, 04:26 PM
The self proclaimed "Mother of all Brazilians"

Ya Gotta admit...that is one cool axe!!!

AP515
01-04-2013, 06:12 PM
It is probably an innocent mistake. A reputable dealer would not likely jeopardize their reputation by deliberately misrepresenting IRW as BRW.



I had the same thing happen. GC had a McRosie I was interested in. They had it advertised as BRW but I checked the MODCAT and it said IRW. I showed them the MODCAT decoder and they dropped the price enough that I bought it.

And for the other part of the conversation, my IRW is much lighter than my BRW. Here is the IRW McRosie...
http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii126/Pecospup/Rosewoodneck1.jpg
Here is the BRW...
http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii126/Pecospup/BRWNeck.jpg