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davidb1986
11-15-2012, 06:46 AM
http://www.ebay.com/itm/PRS-PAUL-REED-SMITH-DUAL-PICKUP-SINGLECUT-ELECTRIC-GUITAR-R-H-MINT-with-CASE-/321021116588?pt=Guitar&hash=item4abe5980ac

Fake singlecut.......I posted it on prsforums.com to be reported I will be emailing PRS with the link in a few minutes. Does anyone else know how to get this auction taken off? It has a bid and is a blatant fake. The seller keeps fumbling around with his answers and says he uses a "guitar expert" it validate the guitars he sells but any expert would know its a fake. I think he is trying to pull a big one here.

Albrecht Smuten
11-15-2012, 07:04 AM
Looks great for a fake. I just don't understand why he made it so believable (in order to present it as a genuine PRS) and then deliberately flipped the headstock, so you can tell it's fake right away.

CoreyT
11-15-2012, 07:17 AM
PRS locking tuners my butt.
Those look like the Planet Waves Autotrim tuners I run on all of my guitars.

http://leftyfretz.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/planet-waves-auto-trim-tuners-close.jpg

rugerpc
11-15-2012, 07:40 AM
There are SO many things wrong with that guitar.

The headstock carve is reversed!
The tuner holes are not symmetrical.
The truss rod cover is the wrong shape and has 3 screws.
The tuners are obviously planet wave replacements. (the description states PRS locking tuners)
The headstock signature is wrong (too thick and cluncky - missing elements)
There is some kind of wonky side dot at the 12th fret that shouldn't be there.
Upper and lower bout carves are wrong.
Lower bout carve has no relief on face of guitar.
The body is a wonky wrong roundness.
The body face carve looks wrong.
The "binding" appears to be plastic!
The PUP switch is in the wrong place.
The bridge looks wrong.
The maple is definitely not a "10".
The electronics covers don't fit!

I'm sure there are many more things - that is all from just my first look!

Edit: I just reported the listing as a counterfeit item to ebay noting the main, most glaring feature - the reverse of the headstock carve.

Rick
11-15-2012, 08:45 AM
man , that thing almost qualifies for the " funny picture " thread

solacematt
11-15-2012, 11:46 AM
wow, just everything about that headstock is a dead giveaway

Artist
11-15-2012, 05:25 PM
Here is another fake listing ending soon. Description/phots are real but the listing is not. Hijacked gem stone seller account

Supposedly an '88 Standard 24.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/130803714169?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649

There was an identical listing created from another account a couple of hours ago that I reported and was taken down, but this one is still up and close to ending.

The image passing as text asking to contact the seller before bidding gives it all.

Report that thing!

Artist
11-15-2012, 05:40 PM
Oh and that singlecut is hilarious! They tried hard and failed miserably Lol

davidb1986
11-16-2012, 06:43 AM
The 88 Standard 24 looks legit. The features they had then are different than they are now..........serial number and style screams legit standard 24.

davidb1986
11-16-2012, 06:44 AM
Oh the description on the singlecut fake says the scale is 25 1/2". My Tremonti and Singlecut are only 25".

Artist
11-16-2012, 09:56 AM
The 88 Standard 24 looks legit. The features they had then are different than they are now..........serial number and style screams legit standard 24.

Yes, the guitar in the pictures is legit as I mentioned. The listing is fake. Accounts of reputable sellers get hacked all the time and items get posted on their stores. On this one you can easily tell because of the following image they put in all their listings where they urge you to contact them outside ebay before bidding to try to get your money or information outside of eBay.http://img848.imageshack.us/img848/1980/contactz.jpg

Also the same exact listing popped up in another account hours after along with other high end items. That one was taken down very quickly.

I tried contacting this one up about the fake listing but I am pretty sure the response I got was from the same people in control of their account.


-----------------------------------
Hi,
This is not our item,
plz don't purchase,
we are trying to end the listings
Have a nice day!
-gem-gogo
---------------------

Said they would take it down and never did. I tried to report it but eBay didn't act on this one before it ended. Now somebody will be waiting for their $2k '88 PRS that will never arrive. :dontknow: oh well..

bamoore07
11-16-2012, 02:45 PM
After finding the guitar from the OP during a PRS search on ebay, I thought I would try to contact the company to alert them of the infringement. That's what led to the forum. Doesn't surprise me there was already a thread dedicated to this ridiculous fake. So I registered in order to post the message I sent the seller on ebay:

Hi, just in case you are not aware, this guitar is a fake.

Obvious indicators:

1. The headstock shape is reversed from the shape of the trademarked Paul Reed Smith headstock.

2. The Paul Reed Smith logo appears to be a sticker, and if it is screen printed, it is clearly still far too dimensional to be legitimate.

3. Wrong truss rod cover.

4. The hand written serial number and "10" designation are far too opaque and the ink/ paint used is of an incorrect type.

5. While over the years PRS has gotten more liberal doling out "10 Top" designations, in no way at any time would the top on this guitar meet those standards.

6. The bridge is a very different design than the Paul Reel Smith patented wrap around bridge.

7. The edges of the fingerboard are painted.

8. Placement of many of the bird shaped fingerboard inlays is off, as are some of the inlays themselves in regard to size and shape.

9. The finish lacks the smooth mirror-like reflective quality of a real PRS.

10. The tuners… Really?

For these reasons and more, this is the most easily identifiable fake I have ever seen. As you are probably aware, knowingly advertising and selling counterfeit items is a serious crime. I suggest you remove this item from ebay immediately, and pursue legal action against the person who sold it to you as an authentic Paul Reed Smith.

You have now been made aware of the legal status of this auction, and it is up to you to remedy the situation. I know I am not the first person to point out the fact that this guitar is obviously counterfeit. Serious legal ramifications will result if you actually sell this item as an authentic Paul Reed Smith.

We'll see what happens. It makes no sense for someone to continue an auction like this when they have a good rep on ebay...

rugerpc
11-16-2012, 03:51 PM
I have contacted the seller, eBay and PRS Cust. service, yet the listing in the OP is still up.

I'm starting to wonder why I bothered.....

Artist
11-16-2012, 06:31 PM
I thought I would try to contact the company to alert them of the infringement. That's what led to the forum.
Welcome! Based on that message seems like you clearliy belong here :top:


I'm starting to wonder why I bothered.....
^^I think the same. I rarely see an actual fake attempt PRS like the one from the OP, but these fake listings from hacked seller accounts are there every day. I don't know why ebay can't get smarter in flagging these.

And the '88 red PRS strikes again from another account:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/PRS-Standard-24-Vintage-1988-USA-/251185240684
Report if you are bored.

Mikegarveyblues
11-16-2012, 06:42 PM
Done. For all the difference it'll make.

Mikegarveyblues
11-16-2012, 06:43 PM
http://www.ebay.com/itm/PRS-PAUL-REED-SMITH-DUAL-PICKUP-SINGLECUT-ELECTRIC-GUITAR-R-H-MINT-with-CASE-/321021116588?pt=Guitar&hash=item4abe5980ac

Fake singlecut.......I posted it on prsforums.com to be reported I will be emailing PRS with the link in a few minutes. Does anyone else know how to get this auction taken off? It has a bid and is a blatant fake. The seller keeps fumbling around with his answers and says he uses a "guitar expert" it validate the guitars he sells but any expert would know its a fake. I think he is trying to pull a big one here.

Can't believe this is still for sale. Ebay clearly don't give a monkeys!

bamoore07
11-16-2012, 07:31 PM
Still up! Unbelievable really, the auction ends in 17 hours and there is actually a bid. For what its worth, I flagged the item too. I do hope there are some serious ramifications for the seller; after all the messages he's received, he can certainly no longer feign ignorance.

John Scrip
11-16-2012, 09:13 PM
Count me in on reporting it, for whatever good it might do.

John Scrip
11-17-2012, 10:24 AM
Just reported it - again - only a couple hours left and it's still there.

It's stuff like this that really puts my antennas up about e-bay...

John Scrip
11-17-2012, 10:49 AM
Just received this from the seller --


Although we appreciate your input, our local instrument dealer has a different opinion. We respect his expertise. In this very unusual case, we will be extremely careful to allow the buyer adequate time to examine the guitar. If he is not happy with it, it will be returned for a full refund. Thanks again!

Mikegarveyblues
11-17-2012, 10:57 AM
Someone's about to part with at least $700 for firewood...

Right now i'm hating fleabay as much as the dodgy seller (And his dodgy local instrument dealer).

I wonder if they (Ebay) contacted the seller and got the same response? Just seems like they've ignored all the reports.

AaeCee
11-17-2012, 11:03 AM
Just received this from the seller --What a crock! Their 'local instrument dealer' is probably the owner's cat and dog. And BTW, check out the awful neck joint on that abomination.

Artist
11-17-2012, 11:31 AM
Just received this from the seller --

I got the same response too. I let him know that his actions are being closely followed by the PRS Community. He knows it is fake.

I would love to contact the authorities if I were in Palm Beach, stop by his store and tell him a thing or two to his face.

John Scrip
11-17-2012, 11:59 AM
Whoop! REMOVED.

Chalk up another one for the good guys. :evil:

Artist
11-17-2012, 12:36 PM
Yes! I think eBay pays more attention to Fraudulent listing flags than counterfeit item ones. It was quickly taken down after a fraudulent listing flag was sent, apparently they saw all the other complaints.

He tried to sell it before (http://www.ebay.com/itm/PRS-PAUL-REED-SMITH-DUAL-PICKUP-SINGLECUT-ELECTRIC-GUITAR-R-H-MINT-with-CASE-/321012869280?pt=Guitar&hash=item4abddba8a0) for $1700!!:eek: His feedback from the past year also shows very credible complaints with silly responses from them.
I don't know how such a seller is still on eBay and how people buy from them.

Based on the broad range of items they have on sale and they are a brick store it is safe to assume that this a Pawn shop.

There are only two pawn shops in the Royal Palm Beach area:
1. T J's Pawn Shop (https://plus.google.com/113163436314722041255/about?gl=us&hl=en) | 10045 Belvedere Road Royal Palm Beach, FL 33411‎
2. Royal Pawn & Jewelry Inc (https://plus.google.com/106027328343817796563/about?gl=us&hl=en)| 9852 Southern Boulevard West Palm Beach, FL 33411‎

2nd one matches the city the seller has listed in their auctions along with the name of the ebay seller RoyalPalm2 (http://myworld.ebay.com/royalpalm2?_trksid=p2047675.l2559). It is adjacent to Royal Palm Beach and Wellington as their auctions state "All of our eBay items may be viewed at our store in West Palm Beach, Florida (adjacent to Royal Palm Beach and Wellington)."
Coincidentally their Pawn shop is next door to an Ebay Store training (https://plus.google.com/105107467464061398341/about) center.

Can't confirm without stopping by their store, but I would put my hand son fire that it is them. I would just be very cautious when dealing with them :vroam:

Albrecht Smuten
11-18-2012, 06:03 AM
Careful with the pawn shop.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-aoCK2XGvYiQ/UBlwp_DkdeI/AAAAAAAABuw/WNYiOYkEw7k/s1600/maynard-large.jpg