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kazanjion
11-19-2012, 02:02 AM
Hi,
Just picked this up off a guy on the CL today his brother brought it back for him from Korea. I love the way it looks and sounds. I was curious if anyone knows some information on it and would be willing to share. Feel free to beat me up for buying a Korean one lol.

http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g100/anjion/2012-11-18_23-47-43_828.jpg
http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g100/anjion/2012-11-18_23-47-59_476.jpg
http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g100/anjion/2012-11-18_23-49-27_451.jpg

sergiodeblanc
11-19-2012, 02:20 AM
............................!

kazanjion
11-19-2012, 02:21 AM
............................??????

Albrecht Smuten
11-19-2012, 05:04 AM
............................^^

Jet Whitey
11-19-2012, 07:10 AM
Not a PRS/SE.....most likely a Chinese made fake. I hope you didn't pay too much for it.

Twinfan
11-19-2012, 07:11 AM
That's a fake/copy PRS.

This is the official PRS forum, hosted by PRS themselves. Do you really think this post belongs here?

docbennett
11-19-2012, 07:15 AM
That's a fake/copy PRS.

This is the official PRS forum, hosted by PRS themselves. Do you really think this post belongs here?

Actually, maybe it does. Wouldn't it represent valuable information to those who need to learn how to differentiate between the real ones and the fakes? I hope the OP didn't get too badly ripped off....that being said, this could serve as valuable information to the less experienced devotees. Just my opinion...in no way endorsing or attempting to validate the fraudulent copy.

CoreyT
11-19-2012, 07:18 AM
This post absolutely belongs here, members need to be informed about fakes and how to spot them.
I knew it was a fake as soon as I saw it.

Albrecht Smuten
11-19-2012, 07:23 AM
That's a fake/copy PRS.

This is the official PRS forum, hosted by PRS themselves. Do you really think this post belongs here?

Now that was mean. The poor guy was just told his guitar isn't genuine PRS...

]-[ @ n $ 0 |v| a T !
11-19-2012, 08:19 AM
That's a fake/copy PRS.

This is the official PRS forum, hosted by PRS themselves. Do you really think this post belongs here?Yes.

Let the truth stand.

kazanjion
11-19-2012, 08:43 AM
I do believe my question belongs here. As i am completely aware this is not a real dragon. And i spent accordingly. But my confusion that having since made this posting has been cleared up was this a Korean version our what is it. My thanks to those that shared information!

kazanjion
11-19-2012, 08:48 AM
Thanks! This its what i wanted to know. I was wondering if prs had a Korean line of remakes. kinda along the se thing.

Shawn@PRS
11-19-2012, 08:54 AM
This may have been purchased in Korea, but I believe it was probably made in China. It isn't an SE and it wasn't made in our US factory. An SE wouldn't try to fake the PS/ME eagle on the front of the headstock.

I'd be interested in seeing a photo of the back of the headstock if possible.

kazanjion
11-19-2012, 10:01 AM
Thanks shawn i will get you a picture when i get home.

kazanjion
11-19-2012, 10:37 AM
Here's a picture of the back of the neck.

http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g100/anjion/2012-11-19_08-29-04_826.jpg

Blackbird
11-19-2012, 10:39 AM
Here's a picture of the back of the neck.

http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g100/anjion/2012-11-19_08-29-04_826.jpg

Wow! Nice effort.

Edit: Now keep your eyes on the road! :)

Shawn@PRS
11-19-2012, 10:40 AM
I'm sorry to tell you, this is an absolute fake. It is in no way affiliated with our SE line of guitars.

kazanjion
11-19-2012, 11:26 AM
Good thing i didn't spend much lol! I hope this thread shows up in the google searches and stops someone else from getting hosed. Thanks shawn! And i will be buying a real prs!

docbennett
11-19-2012, 11:37 AM
This was my first opportunity to see the photos, since my work computer blocks the images.

Just wanted to say that at first glance...I couldn't tell it was a fake. Can you guys with the sharp eyes and the ability to discriminate the real from the copied share those 'clues' that told you it wasn't real? From what I could see from my smart phone, the inlays look great and the rear of the headstock looks pretty good as well. Please share with us your secrets of uncovering the fake.

sergiodeblanc
11-19-2012, 11:54 AM
Top carve, headstock shape, input jack, squareyness of the bridge.

Shawn@PRS
11-19-2012, 11:55 AM
Gumby Santana headstock shape

sergiodeblanc
11-19-2012, 12:03 PM
Gumby Santana headstock shape

Seriously!

Jet Whitey
11-19-2012, 12:48 PM
This was my first opportunity to see the photos, since my work computer blocks the images.

Just wanted to say that at first glance...I couldn't tell it was a fake. Can you guys with the sharp eyes and the ability to discriminate the real from the copied share those 'clues' that told you it wasn't real? From what I could see from my smart phone, the inlays look great and the rear of the headstock looks pretty good as well. Please share with us your secrets of uncovering the fake.


Are you serious???? For someone who spends as much cash as you do on PRS guitars and sells them to others.....you surely need to educate yourself. :rolleyes:

JMintzer
11-19-2012, 01:53 PM
Are you serious???? For someone who spends as much cash as you do on PRS guitars and sells them to others.....you surely need to educate yourself. :rolleyes:

"From What I could see on my smart phone..."

Danerada
11-19-2012, 02:41 PM
Gumby Santana headstock shape

That is a perfect description.

Daniel
11-19-2012, 02:54 PM
Strap button.

Artist
11-19-2012, 03:39 PM
Forget the rest of the guitar, just looking at the inlay work or the quality of the top you can tell.
This is what they tried:

http://static.musiciansfriend.com/derivates/18/001/475/656/DV016_Jpg_Large_583827.274_sapphire_smokeburst.jpg

http://static.musiciansfriend.com/derivates/18/001/475/675/DV016_Jpg_Large_583827.274_sapphire_smokeburst_nec k_closeup.jpg

]-[ @ n $ 0 |v| a T !
11-19-2012, 03:44 PM
Again I wonder...

Are we educating the counterfeiters?

I'm not suggesting we kill this conversation but it sure begs the question.

Dirty Bob
11-19-2012, 04:14 PM
just looks like poo...plain and simple.

Boogie
11-19-2012, 04:23 PM
Gumby Santana headstock shape
"I'm Gumby Santana, dammit!" :p

At least they spelled 'anniversary' right this time! :D

markie
11-19-2012, 05:27 PM
The question begs.............................. What if I made a couple thousand of these myself & tried to sell them?

justmund
11-19-2012, 07:20 PM
I think we gotta face the facts. One day in the near future, it's going to be very difficult to tell a real PRS from a Chinese copy by looking at photographs like these (lower res, shots of the whole guitar, no detail).

You just gotta get them in your hands, check the balance, check the feel, twiddle the knobs, plug it in... Buy from reputable dealers/sellers, use protection services like paypal (although not foolproof). Buying unseen off CL (or Gumtree for us Aussies) is just pot luck.

Good thing there is great customer service, plus an official PRS forum (with some members who know a scary amount about PRSes!) to help authenticate guitars of dubious origins.

Shawn@PRS
11-19-2012, 07:28 PM
-[ @ n $ 0 |v| a T ! ;29918']Again I wonder...

Are we educating the counterfeiters?

I'm not suggesting we kill this conversation but it sure begs the question.

Like I've said in the past, "A doctor can tell you how to remove your appendix, but that doesn't mean you'll be able to actually do it". If someone wants to fake a PRS bad enough (or anything else) they just buy one and tear it apart until they feel they've sufficiently copied it. Chances are it'll be a piece of crap. If they had any real talent they'd be making their own guitars and not making knock offs of someone else's stuff.

sergiodeblanc
11-19-2012, 07:49 PM
-[ @ n $ 0 |v| a T ! ;29918']Again I wonder...

Are we educating the counterfeiters?

I'm not suggesting we kill this conversation but it sure begs the question.

Not until they start looking really good.

bretwomack
11-19-2012, 09:38 PM
Forget the rest of the guitar, just looking at the inlay work or the quality of the top you can tell.
This is what they tried:

http://static.musiciansfriend.com/derivates/18/001/475/656/DV016_Jpg_Large_583827.274_sapphire_smokeburst.jpg



Fake



:laugh:

justmund
11-19-2012, 09:55 PM
Ha I just thought of one of those "Real or Fake" surveys!

LSchefman
11-19-2012, 11:14 PM
Something also looks weird about the pickup placement and especially the angle of the bridge pickup, the tuning machines' "PRS" letters on the back are very poorly done, the headstock shape is wrong, where the headstock meets the neck is shaped wrong, placement of the controls is wrong, switch is wrong, pickup surrounds are wrong, jack plate is wrong, knobs are wrong color, eagle inlay is wrong, and of course the dragon inlay itself looks like it was done with toilet seat material, and is pretty inartistic.

Live and learn.

It's very hard to police this kind of thing, and the Chinese government has shown little interest in protecting US copyrights and trademarks. But that guitar is so poorly done that it shouldn't fool anyone into thinking it's real, unless they've never inspected a real PRS.

Twinfan
11-20-2012, 05:58 AM
Apologies for my earlier post if it offends, I just assumed fakes would not be appreciated on the official forum. I must admit I'm surprised by the stance taken.


-[ @ n $ 0 |v| a T ! ;29918']Again I wonder...

Are we educating the counterfeiters?

I'm not suggesting we kill this conversation but it sure begs the question.

That was part of my concern.

james
11-20-2012, 06:28 AM
Not PRS' opinion, but I always liked this mindset (from Rework):

http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/0307463745

markie
11-20-2012, 07:40 AM
Not PRS' opinion, but I always liked this mindset (from Rework):

http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/0307463745



How about putting a sign up that says Mario Batali's Grill?

james
11-20-2012, 08:38 AM
How about putting a sign up that says Mario Batali's Grill?

true! that page was only tangentially related to the thread/LOL Dragon.

TYGRC
11-27-2012, 12:36 AM
I played this guitar and it didn't stand up to an American PRS but it was quite good. Who ever picked it out of the pile originally knew what to look for. The electrical is on the far side of so-so but the neck is dead on and the body is made for smooth. I wouldn't trade my PRS or even my Strat for it, but it is a solid guitar. If that's what you want then that's what you got. Just remember, that when you are ready, there is nothing like an American PRS...

sergiodeblanc
11-27-2012, 01:21 AM
SE Dragon is the only cure.

vchizzle
11-27-2012, 03:09 PM
My question is, if they went through the trouble of hand numbering, why not write the serial # on there too?


Top carve, headstock shape, input jack, squareyness of the bridge.
That about covers it. I usually look at the top carve 1st, PRS is pretty distinct and fakes don't always get it right.

rugerpc
11-27-2012, 04:27 PM
Gumby Santana headstock shape

:rofl:

:five:

:beer:

As to whether this thread belongs here - I think that this actually serves to protect the PRS brand and do little to educate the counterfeiters. It is like Shawn has said, The only serious threats to the brand when someone comes along with a copy they made by completely tearing apart an original and measuring every piece to extreme precision. If they are that good at building guitars, then they already have a market and would probably just build their own.

These Chinese fakes are interesting in that I can usually see at a glance that something is wrong and it makes me look at the details. Once I start looking where the Devil lives, it becomes more and more obvious.

So, I think threads like this educate the buyer more than the maker. What are the chances that a Chinese fake producer is reading this thread anyway?

As to the Chinese enforcing copyrights and patents - :rofl: - it is my (non-political) opinion that the Chinese Government isn't just not interested, they are complicit.

** On the off chance that a Chinese fake producer is reading this thread, I think I can safely convey a message from all the rest of the Forum members: "*#%~+!!!" (or loosely translated words to that effect....)

Artist
11-29-2012, 04:13 PM
Here is another fake Chinese that just popped on eBay. Listed as a "very Colletible" item. :rofl:Feel free to report it.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=321033149442

http://img834.imageshack.us/img834/531/prsgw.jpg

rugerpc
11-29-2012, 04:55 PM
Here is another fake Chinese that just popped on eBay. Listed as a "very Colletible" item. :rofl:Feel free to report it.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=321033149442

http://img834.imageshack.us/img834/531/prsgw.jpg

:rofl:

I just love how the maple veneer is so thin that the switch and knob indents show body wood!

JMintzer
11-29-2012, 06:50 PM
Nice straight string pull, as well!


Jamie