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Shawn@PRS
12-09-2012, 04:47 PM
Original PRS Tuners can be converted into Phase II tuners and do not require any additional holes to be drilled in the head stock.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7aszLiL05YA&feature=youtu.be

JMintzer
12-09-2012, 04:55 PM
WTF??? Shared screw locking tuners w/no wings???


Jamie

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12-09-2012, 05:06 PM
Tuner upgrade without making permanent mods to your old PRS????

Pretty sweet, Shawn. Pretty sweet.

Buildermike
12-09-2012, 09:02 PM
Available soon from the PRS Parts Store?

Bill SAS 513
12-10-2012, 05:55 AM
Nice!!!!!

Goldtop
12-10-2012, 06:05 AM
Shawn,

As you were posting this, were you chuckling as you imagined all of those eyeballs popping out?

Lloyd

Shawn@PRS
12-10-2012, 08:28 AM
LOL Lloyd, you got me. :)

Scotty B from the PTC devised a way to reconstruct your original shared D & G tuners using a set of Phase II shafts and gears. This allows you to keep the same tuner footprint on your older PRS guitar without drilling new holes, but also offers the performance and function of the Phase II tuners. Currently these tuners are only available through the PTC

themike
12-10-2012, 11:22 AM
LOL Lloyd, you got me. :)

Scotty B from the PTC devised a way to reconstruct your original shared D & G tuners using a set of Phase II shafts and gears. This allows you to keep the same tuner footprint on your older PRS guitar without drilling new holes, but also offers the performance and function of the Phase II tuners. Currently these tuners are only available through the PTC

When you were telling me the story of Scotty figuring this out your excitment was off the charts - such a good mod!

sergiodeblanc
12-10-2012, 03:11 PM
I don't like. Now there will be less of the greatest invention ever devised, but if you could come up with a way to put wings on phase III tuners........

Shawn@PRS
12-10-2012, 03:51 PM
I don't like. Now there will be less of the greatest invention ever devised, but if you could come up with a way to put wings on phase III tuners........

Hahaha- You must also be a fan of bamboo under your fingernails and root canals! :)

sergiodeblanc
12-10-2012, 04:32 PM
Hahaha- You must also be a fan of bamboo under your fingernails and root canals! :)

I welcomed the last root canal I had so you might be on to something. :beer:

sleary
12-10-2012, 07:20 PM
Shawn...you are a TEASE lol

Shawn@PRS
12-10-2012, 08:02 PM
I bet you say that to all the girls :D

Herr Squid
12-10-2012, 08:33 PM
I don't like. Now there will be less of the greatest invention ever devised, but if you could come up with a way to put wings on phase III tuners........

I'm with Sergio. I would love Phase IIIs with wings!

Boogie
12-10-2012, 09:20 PM
I'm with Sergio. I would love Phase IIIs with wings!

The wings wouldn't even have to be functional, but everyone would have to get the perfect Christmas tree shape when they string up. :p

prscat33511
12-14-2012, 10:25 PM
So is it me or does the audio sound poorly?

sergiodeblanc
12-15-2012, 04:40 AM
So is it me or does the audio sound poorly?

No, it's not just you, the audio does sound poorly due to the castration of the sacred winged tuners. The silent howls of desecrated shared D&G tuners will forever haunt their lives.:evil:

Shawn@PRS
12-15-2012, 07:52 AM
So is it me or does the audio sound poorly?

There isn't any audio to speak of. I wanted to remain silent and just let the images speak for themselves. The only noise you hear are folks in the background having a conversation.

BrianC
12-20-2012, 03:58 PM
Very cool!

claythomas
12-21-2012, 03:18 PM
Too cool!! I need 4 sets of these.....STAT!!

Diverdan
12-30-2012, 03:06 AM
Hi Shawn,
I just picked up one of those GC Throwbacks, which of course have the winged tuners (which are ok, but I prefer the performance and look of Phase 2 or Phase 3 tuners). This is the answer to one of my prayers! I'll be setting up an appointment in the spring to have these done, as well as swapping out the sweet switch for the McCarty electronics.
Thanks!
Danny

CE-man
01-06-2013, 12:46 AM
Great idea but I too like the winged collars.

Shawn@PRS
01-06-2013, 07:31 AM
Hi Shawn,
I just picked up one of those GC Throwbacks, which of course have the winged tuners (which are ok, but I prefer the performance and look of Phase 2 or Phase 3 tuners). This is the answer to one of my prayers! I'll be setting up an appointment in the spring to have these done, as well as swapping out the sweet switch for the McCarty electronics.
Thanks!
Danny

Sounds good Danny, I look forward to hearing from you

sergiodeblanc
01-06-2013, 05:14 PM
Hey Shawn, what are the little cotter pin/ compression washers for keeping the wings on the winged tuners called, and are they available for sale through PRS? I don't know if they are different sizes for the two versions, so this would be for the second non shared D&G type.

Thanks, you are the best!

Shawn@PRS
01-06-2013, 05:22 PM
Hi Serg,

They are E clips, but I don't know the size off the top of my head. I can find out tomorrow. We don't carry them any longer at PRS since we've been using the Phase II's and now Phase III's for over 10 years. Let me check on the size when I get to work on Monday.

sergiodeblanc
01-06-2013, 06:26 PM
Thank you Shawn, I'd really appreciate it.

Shawn@PRS
01-07-2013, 02:17 PM
Hi Sergio,

Here are the detailed specs:
http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i68/gitfukintar/PRS/IMG_2160_zps0f26cbc6.jpg

sergiodeblanc
01-07-2013, 02:22 PM
Wow Shawn, thank you so much!!!

Shredhed
04-14-2013, 03:01 AM
I'm late to the party, but my used '09 custom has those tuners on it. Anybody know if that was an upgrade or did it come with them?

(I'm a PRS sponge lol. I don't know anything about my guitar:iamconfused:)

Boogie
04-14-2013, 07:58 AM
Hi Sergio,

Here are the detailed specs:
http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i68/gitfukintar/PRS/IMG_2160_zps0f26cbc6.jpg

Just when I think the customer service can't get any better...BAM! Another ratchet up.:congrats:

vchizzle
05-13-2013, 12:13 PM
Hmmm...
Hey Shawn, do you guys modify the existing tuners or is it possible to keep my old tuners and buy a set of these? I'm kind of a stickler for having the original parts for my '96 whether the parts are in use or not.

Shawn@PRS
05-13-2013, 12:57 PM
Hmmm...
Hey Shawn, do you guys modify the existing tuners or is it possible to keep my old tuners and buy a set of these? I'm kind of a stickler for having the original parts for my '96 whether the parts are in use or not.

We would need to modify the existing tuners.

vchizzle
05-14-2013, 11:22 AM
Maybe time to start searching for another set of winged/shared screw.

sergiodeblanc
05-14-2013, 01:04 PM
Maybe time to start searching for another set of winged/shared screw.

I wonder if all you need is a set of Schaller M6 tuners? Might be easier and cheaper to find.

vchizzle
05-14-2013, 02:00 PM
I wonder if all you need is a set of Schaller M6 tuners? Might be easier and cheaper to find.
I actually have a set of Sperzels on it now. Back when it was my only guitar, I couldn't change a string quick enough in poor lighting conditions so I made the change. I've been wanting to put it back in a more "stock" type look. That's why this thread grabbed my attention. Ideally, if I could buy a set without modding my original, that'd be the best route for me.

omikl
05-23-2013, 10:23 AM
I put a set of replacement Schaller tuner buttons on my Customer 24's wing tuners (Phaze I's?) and now after a couple of years the A string will not come up to tune. It gets up to about unison with the botton E and then the tuner button spins uselessly. The shaft onto which the tuner button atatched has pushed through the tuner body at this point so that it's outof position by a couple of mm. So, should I just find a suitably sized washer to add to the one that's already in there between the button and the body of the tuner and hope that his stops the shaft pushing through?

The D & E are doing similar tricks but aren't quite knackered yet...

Otherwise, are there any ther sources of tuner buttons for my PRS Phase I locking tuners? The originals died, the G string button cracked in half one day.

omikl
05-24-2013, 02:28 AM
I put the old plastic buttons on the offending tuners and they now work again.

The Schaller mini buttons are a few mm shorter than the full sized ones and that makes an the difference. They must have been just big enough when first fitted, but ave compressed ove rthe last couple of years. I didn't realise that the tuner buttons were load-bearing components of the phase I tuners, well now I do.

My Cu24 now has 3 large platic & 3 small ebony tuner buttons until the care package arrives from Stew Mac ;-)

bluevoodoo
06-30-2013, 12:54 PM
Hey Shawn,

is it possible to order the old winged collar locking tuners? On my '89 Special the collar on the E6 tuner unfortunately broke (even though I haven't used it for months and it laid in the HSC so it must be some kind of fatigue) or can you suggest any proper replacement part? I live in Hungary, tried to get in touch with the local dealer in Budapest but got no answer from them yet.

Thanks,

Daniel

Shawn@PRS
06-30-2013, 01:24 PM
Hi Daniel,

The old tuners are unavailable, but you can get a Schaller M6 tuner as a replacement. The M6 is not a locking tuner, but will fit your guitar without modification.

If you'd like to send the tuners to the PTC, we can rebuild them using the Phase II locking mechanism.

http://prsguitars.com/forum/showthread.php?2326-PRS-Tuners

rabidhamster
07-15-2013, 04:18 PM
Shawn,

Just curious for the people concerned about keeping original parts, is this wing tuner mod a somewhat reversible thing to do? On the face of it, it seems like one could just put the old wingy tuners parts back in.... when ones guitar starts to get into '59 burst prices in 30 years...:laugh:


For anyone on the fence,
I've both types of wingys and the Phase IIs. I think I like my non-shared-screw wingy tuners better, until I change strings on my AP cu22 with Phase IIs, its so fast and easy I suddenly don't care about those cool looking wings anymore. Especially if you're on stage. I feel like tuning resolution is noticeably better too. The shared-screw wingys I've owned were so rough, comparatively, I'd be falling over myself to get this mod done to them, original or not...

Shawn@PRS
07-15-2013, 06:25 PM
Shawn,

Just curious for the people concerned about keeping original parts, is this wing tuner mod a somewhat reversible thing to do? On the face of it, it seems like one could just put the old wingy tuners parts back in.... when ones guitar starts to get into '59 burst prices in 30 years...:laugh:


For anyone on the fence,
I've both types of wingys and the Phase IIs. I think I like my non-shared-screw wingy tuners better, until I change strings on my AP cu22 with Phase IIs, its so fast and easy I suddenly don't care about those cool looking wings anymore. Especially if you're on stage. I feel like tuning resolution is noticeably better too. The shared-screw wingys I've owned were so rough, comparatively, I'd be falling over myself to get this mod done to them, original or not...

The work is reversible if all the parts are saved.

guitarzan13
09-04-2013, 03:48 PM
Where can I buy the new tuners? I need them for my old CE22

Sage
09-05-2013, 11:51 AM
Where can I buy the new tuners? I need them for my old CE22

You'll have to send the guitar to the PRS Tech Center (http://prsguitars.com/ptc/).

Currently these tuners are only available through the PTC

guitarzan13
09-06-2013, 10:43 AM
Thanks! Any idea what they charge?