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]-[ @ n $ 0 |v| a T !
12-20-2012, 11:00 AM
I was talking with a fellow forum member, yesterday, about posting tone clips. I've never heard him play but I get the impression he's probably a better player than he thinks. That said, we are all surrounded by professional guitar players. Even though we earn our living doing 'other things' we have this bad habit of comparing ourselves with people who have the ability to play for hours on end, every day, with other pros. I'm not sure that's a fair comparison.

We don't really have to be as good as David Grissom to be respected by our peers, do we? To have opinions that matter? To be able to participate in discussions with those who might have a lot more talent and skill? I sure hope not.

What would it take for you to feel comfortable posting a video of yourself playing a PRS guitar? Obviously the question isn't directed at our resident King of demos, the incomparable 8 of ♥'s (Mr. Chris Reynolds). I am asking myself the same question, by the way.

Seems to me we could share a lot of information with one another that we aren't:

Tone reports without interpretation or subjective details lost in translation
Tone tips
New licks
Helping each other get out of ruts and stop using old crutches. You know what I mean... that same old run you've been using for way too long?


Discuss.

rugerpc
12-20-2012, 11:38 AM
If it is to be a goal of making this a welcoming forum regardless of PRS knowledge or musical talent/knowledge, we are going to have to be even less judgmental of others when they ask even the most basic of questions.

If someone wants help in getting a tone they are after or wants a nudge towards a different way of playing to get out of their rut or wants to know the difference between the open B string and the G string fretteted at 4, honest, nonjudgmental answers will be needed instead of derision.

I pick up my goldtop tomorrow morning. I'm thinking about doing a vid using the new piezo and a crate acoustic amp. But my relative lack of guitar prowess may prevent this as I have no desire to be judged or categorized by my skills or lack thereof when what I'm trying to do is share the new tones available to me courtesy of PTC.

This thread comes immediately to mind:
difference between TAB and Treble clef (http://prsguitars.com/forum/showthread.php?1967-difference-between-TAB-and-Treble-clef)

The first response was yours, Hans: "pie" That response was later deleted, but I did see it before it was deleted.

Later in the thread was this exchange:


-[ @ n $ 0 |v| a T ! ;27994']
But anyway, uhhh when I wanna play an "E" on sheet music do I do an open "E" or fret it? Em7 blew me away!!!!!!!!!!!!!http://g-ecx.images-amazon.com/images/G/01/ciu/da/25/148623e9b90f0a7e9d9a6a.L._V178022809_SX200_.jpg

I only cite these examples because you ask the question, Hans. I'm not trying to embarrass you or call you out or anything of the sort. I have great respect for your efforts on this forum and your desires for it to be active and welcoming. I was therefore understandably surprised at your posts in that thread.

I believe that there was some discussion that captd was a fake profile or an alter ego for another forum member, but I don't know what became of that. If there are sock-puppet profiles on the forum, I encourage the moderators to root them out and either ban them or make them known to the rest of us. But if it just a case of a question being too elementary for another forum member's taste, and we all want the goals you lay out above, we are going to have to be a bit more forgiving.

I trust that this honest response to your question will not put me on your ignore or unfavorable list, Hans.

Edit:
I'm fare from blamess myself. In this thread: Ouch! Was this appointed by one of you (http://prsguitars.com/forum/showthread.php?2237-Ouch!-Was-this-appointed-by-one-of-you) I was decidedly less than gracious when I called the owner of the guitar in the video clip a moron. I deeply regret this and later retracted and apologized. Just because what the owner wanted for his guitar was utterly incomprehensible for me, I had no right to deride or label.

Harker1440
12-20-2012, 11:48 AM
I posted a lot of vids on bam and VR and now here, personally I post for opinions and critiques and based on the feed back its helped me reshape my tone which is a good thing it now sounds more like a chainsaw on steroids than the old weedeater fighting a chihuahua like it used to be

Harker1440
12-20-2012, 11:56 AM
But like a couple members replied you got to have big Stones to post and ask for opinions from a forum because you will get the good bad and ugly in the way of responses and not always in that order.

sergiodeblanc
12-20-2012, 12:06 PM
I posted a lot of vids

Maybe that's where some of the apprehension comes from, you rip Craig!!:rock:

I just don't have a video camera.

]-[ @ n $ 0 |v| a T !
12-20-2012, 12:13 PM
I trust that this honest response to your question will not put me on your ignore or unfavorable list, Hans.

Surely that question wasn't sincere.

In response to your post, I have made no secret that Captdg was on his way out. When a new member's opening comments begin with discussions about his dildo collection, by name, and his dildo repair business (which I deleted) and then ask questions like...

http://prsguitars.com/forum/images/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by captdg http://prsguitars.com/forum/images/buttons/viewpost-right.png (http://prsguitars.com/forum/showthread.php?p=27979#post27979)

But anyway, uhhh when I wanna play an "E" on sheet music do I do an open "E" or fret it?

...then I am inclined to believe the poster isn't genuine. He is still here, so, obviously, there has been an improvement in his participation. What you guys don't always see are the numerous attempts from some people (I shall refrain from posting names) who continue to log in under pseudonyms and then grind their axe. I think it's fair, given the evidence, that I had some concerns.

I have always known that my online persona, past and current, has the ability to polarize people. I confess, being a Moderator has forced me to be a little more vanilla when I'd rather be Rocky Road. To some degree, I am becoming far less binary as I get older. While I will continue to work hard to be as fair as possible to everyone (for as long as I serve the forum in this capacity), I cannot guarantee that I won't offend people.

Regarding the pie, the pi, and the π2... I make no apology. I'm a mod, not a dishrag.

Harker1440
12-20-2012, 12:14 PM
Maybe that's where some of the apprehension comes from, you rip Craig!!:rock:

I just don't have a video camera.

Sergio , I can personally say that I'm a crappy player I don't understand music theory I can barely play cords I have very bad hand posture ( I use my pinky more like my ring finger when it comes to playing) I have a Severe case of Musical ADD when it comes to practicing.
People tell me I'm good but I don't feel the same especially when I hit the local GC and see all these preteen and teenagers flat ripping it up, but it makes me want to improve and overtime I have.

As for my videos most of those were shot with an IPhone nothing special

docbennett
12-20-2012, 12:20 PM
If I can post video demos (MDT/410B, HX/DA series vs. parallel mod, red krinkle PRS etc) then ANYONE should feel comfortable doing same. Fer sure. :laugh:

Sekunda
12-20-2012, 12:41 PM
You know... posting videos of yourself playing is not very different than getting up in front of people to play. You are putting yourself and your talent on display for everyone to see and critique. Not everyone will like it... and we have all seen those guys at the back of the room with their arms crossed thinking to themselves..."That sounds like Phrygian mode... I think thats Phrygian... Oh! what was that bad note there?" But let them get up there and do the same thing. I think all of this is part of becoming a better player and it takes being able to handle a little criticism and also being able to give some (if it's constructive).

I recently had the chance to play in front of about 20,000 people when my band won a national contest and we opened for the All-American Rejects. It was the creepiest feeling in the world... plus it was streamed live on the internet around the world. There is no turning back on a live show like that... But, it was very satisfying at the same time.

Back to the OP, there will never be a consensus on a single clip that it is great or bad... someone will always like it, and someone will always hate it. You just have to learn to shrug off the haters and accept the people who are willing to help or want you to help them. That is the reason we are here, right?

I can't wait to get some tone vids of my new setup and get them posted... So you guys can shred them and tell me what I'm doing wrong! Ha!

Peace

rugerpc
12-20-2012, 01:04 PM
-[ @ n $ 0 |v| a T ! ;36156']In response to your post, I have made no secret that Captdg was on his way out. When a new member's opening comments begin with discussions about his dildo collection, by name, and his dildo repair business (which I deleted)

The rest of us who did not see captdg's preamble could be forgiven then for thinking you started out on him a bit harshly...


-[ @ n $ 0 |v| a T ! ;36156'] and then ask questions like...

http://prsguitars.com/forum/images/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by captdg http://prsguitars.com/forum/images/buttons/viewpost-right.png (http://prsguitars.com/forum/showthread.php?p=27979#post27979)

But anyway, uhhh when I wanna play an "E" on sheet music do I do an open "E" or fret it?

...then I am inclined to believe the poster isn't genuine.

We all start somewhere. Are we to exclude beginners from the forum? There are still many musical ideas I have little knowledge of. Am I to be afraid to ask what to others is an obvious question?

For the rest of your post - I have no qualms about how moderators do their jobs. I know it to be a tough job which requires balancing personal reactions and desires to be heard with a need to be evenhanded even in the face of wanton provocation. I have done, and continue to do, the same job on other forms.

sergiodeblanc
12-20-2012, 01:29 PM
Sergio , I can personally say that I'm a crappy player I don't understand music theory I can barely play cords I have very bad hand posture ( I use my pinky more like my ring finger when it comes to playing) I have a Severe case of Musical ADD when it comes to practicing.
People tell me I'm good but I don't feel the same especially when I hit the local GC and see all these preteen and teenagers flat ripping it up, but it makes me want to improve and overtime I have.

As for my videos most of those were shot with an IPhone nothing special

Cool to know about the iPhone, that my be reason enough to use my upgrade(s) that I have been sitting on as part of my phone package. All of your other points I will just chalk up as humility, I use my pinky way more than my ring too.

If I can post video demos (MDT/410B, HX/DA series vs. parallel mod, red krinkle PRS etc) then ANYONE should feel comfortable doing same. Fer sure. :laugh:

I found your video of the "Beat it" solo as inspiring, or even more so than Dave Weiner's pro backing track. Seeing other players passion and intent gets me stoked on playing, some of my favorite guitarists are not the most proficient, but they all have a certain "fire" that cannot be faked.

I was a skateboarder from the age of 12 up until about the time I turned 36. I was never that good, but I got to skate with a bunch of pros and even some of my heros because I was not afraid to eat sh*t. I would try, fall, try again, slam, try again, and eventually land a trick that may have been very basic for some of these guys, but when you try, really try, anybody that laughs or has a negative comment, is the real goon.

This place is a social activity for me, I feel fairly sure that there is not a single "card holder" that would bash another player for really trying. Nobody has made fun of me for my lack of expensive guitars, and I don't feel as though anyone would make fun of somebody playing "Smoke on the Water" on a Rosewood LTD either. If we can get past a presidential election and a school shooting without anybody getting their feelings hurt, or worse yet banned, I'm sure we are grown up enough to handle a couple of homemade videos.

I am dying to see and hear how that lipstick sounds in your SE One Hans!

]-[ @ n $ 0 |v| a T !
12-20-2012, 01:34 PM
The rest of us who did not see captdg's preamble could be forgiven then for thinking you started out on him a bit harshly...
"The rest of us"? If speaking for yourself, I don't hold you in contempt. As such, there is no forgiveness required.


We all start somewhere. Are we to exclude beginners from the forum?
Rhetorical question.


There are still many musical ideas I have little knowledge of. Am I to be afraid to ask what to others is an obvious question?
Another rhetorical question. Where are we going with this?

No one should go into a community as a new member (regardless of the topic) posting comments about their dildo repair business, listing their dildos (by name), and then post odd questions with any real expectation of being taken seriously.

Context is everything. Asking which E to play when the sheet music prescribes an E seems like a gag question when the previous posts are obviously screw-ball. Having deleted some of the vulgar context that applies to this discussion, I can see your point. Now that the context has been restored, I hope you can see mine.

Dirty Bob
12-20-2012, 01:56 PM
Wow...this whole thread has gotten way off topic. I tried to post a similarly oriented thread in regard to how you all approach the fretboard...I received a few replies but it kind of died...maybe it was my fault. I think this entire topic is a fantastic idea. Looking at other forums I see competitive type behavior all of the time...from gear, to the type of player, to skill, to threads concerning which professional is overrated, etc...it always strikes me as sad because I believe there is a tremendous amount we all can learn from each other in regard to actually playing guitar....different approaches, different ways of how we all think about a piece of music or improvising, etc...

We all could become collectively better if the topic was approached with humility and lack of ego...with the desire to actually help others rather than heap on derision.

Great idea if we could actually somehow pull it off...

BTW I don't have an issue with naming guitars...but some of the other items mentioned here on the other hand...well...whatever floats your boat!!!

]-[ @ n $ 0 |v| a T !
12-20-2012, 02:00 PM
I think this entire topic is a fantastic idea.
Well, obviously I do too. If that means I have to take some bullets or work a little harder to get to the heart of things, so be it.

It's worth it.

Harw00d
12-20-2012, 02:07 PM
I suppose you could say I play guitar semi-professionally, but wether its in a video or live I still feel uneasy sometimes performing infront of my peers and people I feel are better than me.
To get round it, i just think **** it, give it large and everything comes together!

docbennett
12-20-2012, 02:14 PM
I think it wold be a lot of fun if we all picked a tune and each of us "non-pros" committed to post a video of us handling that same tune. It would be real cool to see each of our respective takes on something that we all agreed upon to start with. I think the only "dangerous" part of this exercise would be each of us having to make the commitment to watch each video, start to finish. :p

Anyway, I will respond to the OP with the formal suggestion that, in the spirit of Festivus...and given the fact that the world is going to end tomorrow anyway....let's all choose a tune...make a video of us playing it...and determine a time and place and method for the choice of the tune and the "deadline for posting".

Or not....whatever.:dontknow:

Shawn@PRS
12-20-2012, 02:26 PM
If we can get past a presidential election and a school shooting without anybody getting their feelings hurt, or worse yet banned, I'm sure we are grown up enough to handle a couple of homemade videos.

This says it all. Move along folks,

JustRob
12-20-2012, 02:33 PM
somebody playing "Smoke on the Water" on a Rosewood LTD

I'm willing to admit I don't feel too far from that. :p But I'm not shy and I don't take myself so seriously that if someone wanted to see it I'd say no. Hell, PRSh might offer me something just to never be seen abusing his work in public again.

Seriously though, forums have the same problems as email. Probably everyone has had an email they sent read in a tone different than intended. It's why smilieys exist. :D Typing can definitely make even constructive criticism seem cruel.

Shawn@PRS
12-20-2012, 02:41 PM
That's OK, I just played a punch of punk songs on a JA-15 last night. :)

]-[ @ n $ 0 |v| a T !
12-20-2012, 02:44 PM
That's OK, I just played a punch of punk songs on a JA-15 last night. :)

Because punks like to punch; especially in bunches.

Shawn@PRS
12-20-2012, 02:59 PM
-[ @ n $ 0 |v| a T ! ;36215']Because punks like to punch; especially in bunches.

I see what you did there

]-[ @ n $ 0 |v| a T !
12-20-2012, 03:03 PM
I see what you did there

Ya like that, eh? And now... some Agent Orange.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n8Sevrs9Coc

Shawn@PRS
12-20-2012, 03:09 PM
What, no Minor Threat?

Mikegarveyblues
12-20-2012, 03:33 PM
I'd love to see more people posting clips of their playing! We live in a world these days where music seems to be becoming less of a social activity. One of the great joys of music is the shared experience.

I can only talk from a personal point of view, but I don't care too much for level of ability. Sure. it's great to hear a great guitar player (Or other musician) but I just love to hear / see people having fun on their instrument. Lost count of the amount of times i've seen pics posted of great guitars and thought "I wonder how it sounds?".

I can understand a bit of fear about posting and what the possible reaction will be. When I first started posting vids on Y'tube there was a few times I came close to deleting my account because of abuse. In the end I learned to ignore it (most of the time). There's some nasty folks out there sadly. If you set your vid to 'unlisted' then it wont show on Y'tube searches but you can still embed here.

Also love to see people posting lessons, etc... Regardless of ability. we're all guitar players so lets spread the knowledge! There's a heck of a lot more that I don't know than I do. I don't mind passing any knowledege on but I want to be taught too! :)

veinbuster
12-20-2012, 03:41 PM
I dislike the interruption of recording. One of these days I'll sort out something I can just let roll and go back and clip a bit that I think is worth sharing.

justmund
12-20-2012, 03:44 PM
Good questions to pose Hans, and timely for me. I have been on the cusp of posting a vid for some time, I really want to show you guys what the SE EG sounds like. I even got to the stage of practicing certain riffs that I would put in the vid. What stopped me? Several things.

Time - I realised to shoot a video showing all the tone settings with varying amounts of gain would take several hours, taking into account "clams". I know I would want to shoot separate audio so again need more time to edit the vid.

Embarrassment - two fold, my partner would likely be around and I would have to explain to here what I was doing. Also the "my chops aren't great" reasons, I get by playing, but I am in the complete rut where all I can make sound decent and I feel comfortable playing is blues or Dorian based licks.

Room - my practice room is noisy, something is going in with the power. Every guitar is just noisier in there!

Tone - I'm not happy with it, I know what's wrong with it too. New to me amp is incoming which I know will fix that.

Having said all this, I'm going to make the commitment to make a vid. I will welcome constructive criticism.

A couple of side notes:

Craig - you're a great player, you have chops and feel, end of story!

captdg - I saw the dildo comments and warnings, and I have had my moments of wondering about Trolls.

Talent - something I got from the What do you do for work? thread, is we've got some amazingly diverse skill sets among our forum peers. No one likes being good at nothing, but that's definitely not the case with anyone here. We're all good at something, but we share this common interest in PRSes, and if we post a vid maybe it's like our talent can be taken out of context. Maybe it's worth remembering that although some of us may not be Stevie Van Malmsteens, we all rock at something else.

Sekunda
12-20-2012, 03:46 PM
Just for sh*ts and giggles... here's a video from that big show we did a few months ago. I'm on the right side of the stage with the PRS... Be kind


http://youtu.be/TvYKVovufbA

rugerpc
12-20-2012, 03:57 PM
-[ @ n $ 0 |v| a T ! ;36188']Context is everything. Asking which E to play when the sheet music prescribes an E seems like a gag question when the previous posts are obviously screw-ball. Having deleted some of the vulgar context that applies to this discussion, I can see your point. Now that the context has been restored, I hope you can see mine.

I do see your point. The context is enlightening. But I disagree that the above is a gag question. It may seem so due to who posed it, but if you discount that, it becomes quite a different and important question. Since, depending on the particular sheet music E involved, it can be played six different places on a 24 fret guitar. More if you count harmonics. Most sheet music gives no clue which of those six Es the writer intended. That alone makes it a question worth answering.


I think the only "dangerous" part of this exercise would be each of us having to make the commitment to watch each video, start to finish. :p

I assure that such a video from me would have you all paying a price.. :violin:


If you set your vid to 'unlisted' then it wont show on Y'tube searches but you can still embed here.

THAT is good to know....

]-[ @ n $ 0 |v| a T !
12-20-2012, 03:59 PM
I assure that such a video from me would have you all paying a price.. :violin:

We accept your terms. Post the video.

rugerpc
12-20-2012, 04:04 PM
-[ @ n $ 0 |v| a T ! ;36242']We accept your terms. Post the video.

What is good for the goose....

]-[ @ n $ 0 |v| a T !
12-20-2012, 04:06 PM
What is good for the goose....

Cornbread stuffing and a lemon butter glaze? :dontknow:

alantig
12-20-2012, 04:12 PM
Excellent question, Hans. And I do see some of ruger's point - if we're going to encourage stuff like this, then there's a certain amount of responsibility on the members here to be civil and constructive.

On the other hand, there's also a certain amount of responsibility on the poster not to be butt-hurt if someone questions something about the tune, whether it's tone, note choice, or just asks if they're hearing what was intended. And I don't bring this side of it up lightly - it was a hurdle for me, but as I've told my children, you can't get help if you don't ask for help, and sometimes you may not like everything you hear in the answer. It was a long time before I finally jumped that hurdle and put stuff out there to ask, but there's really no way to get advice on a mix without putting it out there.

rugerpc
12-20-2012, 04:15 PM
-[ @ n $ 0 |v| a T ! ;36244']Cornbread stuffing and a lemon butter glaze? :dontknow:

Perhaps it doesn't matter with The ZOMBIE Apocalypse (http://prsguitars.com/forum/showthread.php?1564-The-ZOMBIE-Apocalypse&highlight=apocalypse) so close....

I still think my response in that thread should have ended the discussion.

ok - I'll spell it out. you post a short something with that lipstick tone monster of yours and I'll post a short piezo/crate acoustic amp tone report.

Edit: Here's the ball and it's rolling: Your self-concious video belongs here (http://prsguitars.com/forum/showthread.php?2497-Your-self-concious-video-belongs-here&p=36248#post36248)

LSchefman
12-20-2012, 04:25 PM
"Make up!"

"What do you mean, make up, Les? You look ok. Let's just shoot this video."

"But I can see in the monitor that I have circles under my eyes. I look bad. And my hair looks really thin. Can we change the camera angle?"

"No, we just have to shoot this thing. You have circles and thinning hair because you're the oldest Forum member. That's just who you are."

"I can't do this."

"What's the problem now?"

"I have a zit. Right on my nose. I need makeup on it. Get the makeup guy."

"No. Just play."

"I can't just play. I need to know my motivation. And I can't play with a zit. We're going to have to reschedule."

"Would you rather just, you know, record something without video?"

"That might be better. You know there's something wrong with my fretting hand today, right? So I really shouldn't be recording. And I don't know, my pick isn't comfortable...and..."

"...and...what?"

"Did they send a purchase order for this project?" ;)

rugerpc
12-20-2012, 04:28 PM
"Make up!" ...

thank you. Les! :five: :beer: :congrats: