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Rosewoodsteel
12-29-2012, 09:19 AM
Ok,
The 95 Honda has 206K on her and may not last forever.
I've saved up for another car and may actually buy a brand new one this time around.
I'm gassing (yes..., that word again) for a 2013 Ford Fusion Titanium, but will be test driving a 2013 Honda Accord, as well.
I'll most likely keep the old Honda and let it get beat up at the train station parking lot.
Anyone else going through the new car process (CR, test drives, dealers ringing up your phone...) ?

sergiodeblanc
12-29-2012, 09:58 AM
I have a 94 and am just praying it makes it another year. I think my next automobile might have to be a mid-life crisis car, I already have the young woman, ponytail, and beer gut, so I might as well get something red and unpractical.

Shawn@PRS
12-29-2012, 10:15 AM
Our cars are from 2004 and 2005, both with 130,000 plus miles. I'd love to get something newer but I need to wait until my wife finishes her degree this spring. Neither car is giving me any trouble, so this would be purely an emotional purchase.

Jet Whitey
12-29-2012, 10:51 AM
I use to buy new cars everytime the weather changed when I was married to my ex. I haven't bought a new one since 1997 and not being car broke is a good feeling. I just read an article a few weeks ago that a new car purchase is worth about 32% of it's original price after 5 years. With interest rates at "Free Money" lows I would take the money you've saved and keep it banked and use someone else's. There's no sense at throwing your saved money at a depreciating asset. If you can find a lease return or program car from Ford you'll save money versus new. I rented a 2012 Fusion Titanium AWD when I was up in Alaska this past July. I was truely impressed with it and I haven't been impressed with anything Ford has done in a sedan in a long time. I can see the " Big Airplane Co." technology and other aerospace engineering changes since Alan Mually took over. He's the "Father of the 767 and the 777" and the guy knows quality. He stuck his neck on the chopping block back in the day when he told the board to adopt the Japanese way of building and to apply it to airplanes. He also stuck his head out there again when he accepted the job from Bill Jr. He worked for $1 a year until the company turned out a car he would buy and until they made a profit. Honda's are great also!

tiboy
12-29-2012, 11:26 AM
A friend of mine got the 2013 Ford Fusion Titanium a few months ago. She is very happy with it. She is quite the discriminating buyer.

LSchefman
12-29-2012, 11:45 AM
I already have the young woman

You, sir, no longer need the unpractical red car.

Shawn@PRS
12-29-2012, 12:02 PM
My recent experience with the Ford Fusion has been a bit different than others here. My car was in the shop for paint work and I had a Fusion for a rental car for two weeks. Every time I stepped on the excelerator the engine felt as though it was going to fall out of the car. The problem was really noticeable at hiway speeds. It wasn't an alignment problem because the vibration stopped when I took my foot off the excelerator, but returned as soon as I gave it any gas. I called the rental company about it but they gave me such a run around I didn't return the car until my own car was ready to go. It was all covered under warranty and I wasn't actually paying for the rental car, so I didn't feel like raising too much hell over the crap rental car.

watelessness
12-29-2012, 12:09 PM
Sitting at a Dodge dealer right now because because the dogs can no longer jump into the Subaru. Sigh

Rango
12-29-2012, 12:40 PM
Doing it now.... my wife's Prius that's coming to the end of it's lease and will be BUYING another.... Nice car, cheap to operate and trouble free.

Consumer reports just did it's best value/cheapest to own report - they est. the the Prius costs .49 a mile - the best. :D

The worst was a 5 series BMW at $1.80 a mile! :confused:
http://money.cnn.com/gallery/autos/2012/12/27/consumer-reports-best-value-cars/index.html?section=money_topstories&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+rss%2Fmoney_topstories+%28Top +Stories%29

LSchefman
12-29-2012, 01:14 PM
Doing it now.... my wife's Prius that's coming to the end of it's lease and will be BUYING another.... Nice car, cheap to operate and trouble free.

Consumer reports just did it's best value/cheapest to own report - they est. the the Prius costs .49 a mile - the best. :D

The worst was a 5 series BMW at $1.80 a mile! :confused:
http://money.cnn.com/gallery/autos/2012/12/27/consumer-reports-best-value-cars/index.html?section=money_topstories&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+rss%2Fmoney_topstories+%28Top +Stories%29

Well...if cost per mile played on a guitar was figured up, I'm guessing Consumer Reports would determine that the "best value" would be something like an Epiphone LP Jr. for $149.

It isn't always about the money. ;)

Jet Whitey
12-29-2012, 05:15 PM
My recent experience with the Ford Fusion has been a bit different than others here. My car was in the shop for paint work and I had a Fusion for a rental car for two weeks. Every time I stepped on the excelerator the engine felt as though it was going to fall out of the car. The problem was really noticeable at hiway speeds. It wasn't an alignment problem because the vibration stopped when I took my foot off the excelerator, but returned as soon as I gave it any gas. I called the rental company about it but they gave me such a run around I didn't return the car until my own car was ready to go. It was all covered under warranty and I wasn't actually paying for the rental car, so I didn't feel like raising too much hell over the crap rental car.

Broken motor mount......The common neutral drop Days of Thunder syndrome found in rental cars.

veinbuster
12-30-2012, 06:48 AM
I think your car is at the point where a replacement makes sense, especially if there are times when it must work.

I look at cars quite frequently just to know where the industry is going when it is time to buy again - every ten years or so and always over 200,000 miles.

IRG
12-30-2012, 08:22 AM
I'm always looking at new (and sometimes used) cars, sort of a hobby of mine. The new Accords seem really good. I have a 2011 Camry (technically a 2010) that I'll be trading in soon (leased) and I probably won't get another, even though it's been a fine car, and all maintenance costs included too. But the recent report of the new Insurance Institutes off set crash test gave the Camry and the Prius a poor rating, so that concerns me. The cars that did well included the Subaru Legacy, the new Accord, VW Passat, Kia Optima...can't remember the others at the moment. The Nissan Altima is a really solid choice too. Any of these choices would be really solid imo. Reliability is hardly an issue anymore, but safety still is apparently. And resale is a moot point if you're going to drive it forever. Kia/Hyundai offer the longest warranty if that's an issue for you.

The Fusion seems like a solid choice, as does the Chevy Malibu - I'd be happy with either choice. A lot of it comes to price too, which one fits your budget the best. But something fun is always nice too. Live in a winter climate like I do? The Subaru's are hard to beat then. If you're considering the Accord, maybe check out the new CRV as well. Looks wise, I like the new Accord a lot, especially the Sport model, with a couple of extra hp under the hood too.

Jester
12-30-2012, 08:47 AM
If it is not going to be your daily driver you can go in many directions. Jeep, truck, sports car or convertible?

http://pictures.topspeed.com/IMG/crop/201110/nissan-370z-1_600x0w.jpg

Hopeful Sinner
12-30-2012, 09:04 AM
My wife and I are doing the new car thing as well. We have decided on the 2013 Ford Escape (Titanium Package). We test drove every make and model of crossover we could find... Which is pretty daunting these days! It's comfortable , drives and handles great, looks cool. The Kia Sorento was surprisingly nice as well... But , we both kept going back to the Ford. It is the first time we have agreed 100% on a vehicle in 16 years....kinda scary....

Rango
12-30-2012, 09:25 AM
Well...if cost per mile played on a guitar was figured up, I'm guessing Consumer Reports would determine that the "best value" would be something like an Epiphone LP Jr. for $149.

It isn't always about the money. ;)

So true...
Just like guitars there are emotional and aesthetic considerations. ;)

But as it turns out there is a beauty all it's own in exceptional function. :biggrin: The Prius isn't going to win any beauty contests but it's exceptional function...saves money that I can spend on GUITARS. :top:

I've seen guitars that were "plain" to me but when you play them their tone and playability win you over! :beer:

Of course I've bought guitars for their beauty and happily they have exceptional function !
:p22:

Rosewoodsteel
12-30-2012, 10:30 AM
Doing it now.... my wife's Prius that's coming to the end of it's lease and will be BUYING another.... Nice car, cheap to operate and trouble free.

Consumer reports just did it's best value/cheapest to own report - they est. the the Prius costs .49 a mile - the best. :D

The worst was a 5 series BMW at $1.80 a mile! :confused:
http://money.cnn.com/gallery/autos/2012/12/27/consumer-reports-best-value-cars/index.html?section=money_topstories&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+rss%2Fmoney_topstories+%28Top +Stories%29

A friend of my has a Prius, and he loves it. I've thought about hybrids, but I drive cars until the doors fall off (and than some). I would like to take a newer car into retirement and have it for as many years as possible, without worring about having to replace an expensive battery system. Hybrids, on average, are more expensive initially than conventional cars. So, it takes many years to break even and recoup the gasoline savings. If you keep the car long enough to need a new battery system..., you may not have saved much at all.
The day they provide a 20 year warranty on the battery system, is the day I become very interested. :)

Rango
12-30-2012, 11:14 AM
A friend of my has a Prius, and he loves it. I've thought about hybrids, but I drive cars until the doors fall off (and than some). I would like to take a newer car into retirement and have it for as many years as possible, without worring about having to replace an expensive battery system. Hybrids, on average, are more expensive initially than conventional cars. So, it takes many years to break even and recoup the gasoline savings. If you keep the car long enough to need a new battery system..., you may not have saved much at all.
The day they provide a 20 year warranty on the battery system, is the day I become very interested. :)

Who provides a 20 year warranty on a regular drive system? I guess you could look at the cost of an extended warranty to compare?

Don't take my word for it... Consumer Reports did the math - cost acquisition, repair and operation - taking everything into account - best value Prius. Maybe not "Best looking" or "most fun to drive"... best value.

I don't know anybody with a current generation Prius that has had to replace the battery pack. It's under warranty for 5 years/100K. I personally know two people with over 200K on their Prius with no drivetrain repairs. I don't keep cars past about 80K but it's nice to know I could. :D

Buy what makes you happy and makes sense for your situation. :top: But more expensive, reliability or overall expense than non-hybrid? The numbers don't support that.... I'm an engineer by day - the math doesn't lie. You should at least check it out for yourself. ;)

Oh and with the back seat down you can get 3 guitars, two combo amps and a pedalboard Pro in with no problem. ;)

alantig
12-30-2012, 12:37 PM
Oh and with the back seat down you can get 3 guitars, two combo amps and a pedalboard Pro in with no problem. ;)

Trust me - if my wife is with me and I buy 3 guitars, 2 amps and a pedalboard, there is a problem. :wink:

Rosewoodsteel
12-30-2012, 02:57 PM
Who provides a 20 year warranty on a regular drive system? I guess you could look at the cost of an extended warranty to compare?

Don't take my word for it... Consumer Reports did the math - cost acquisition, repair and operation - taking everything into account - best value Prius. Maybe not "Best looking" or "most fun to drive"... best value.

I don't know anybody with a current generation Prius that has had to replace the battery pack. It's under warranty for 5 years/100K. I personally know two people with over 200K on their Prius with no drivetrain repairs. I don't keep cars past about 80K but it's nice to know I could. :D

Buy what makes you happy and makes sense for your situation. :top: But more expensive, reliability or overall expense than non-hybrid? The numbers don't support that.... I'm an engineer by day - the math doesn't lie. You should at least check it out for yourself. ;)

Oh and with the back seat down you can get 3 guitars, two combo amps and a pedalboard Pro in with no problem. ;)

Rango,
I believe Consumer Reports took it out only 8 years. My guess is that battery systems start reaching their life expectancy around 10 years.
I have an 18 year old car which I have maintained personally. (The only work I've "contracted out" was the first timing belt replacement.)
Hybrids are great! I just don't know that they would fit my lifestyle of long term car ownership.

What type of Engineer are you?

CAFeathers
12-30-2012, 03:07 PM
Look into Dodge. Because of their parent company (Ferrari) they offer a LIFETIME WARRANTY. I paid around $6,000 for the warranty when I bought my Dodge Journey. ALL oil changes and scheduled maintenance's are paid for under the warranty.

Rango
12-30-2012, 06:30 PM
Rango,
I believe Consumer Reports took it out only 8 years. My guess is that battery systems start reaching their life expectancy around 10 years.
I have an 18 year old car which I have maintained personally. (The only work I've "contracted out" was the first timing belt replacement.)
Hybrids are great! I just don't know that they would fit my lifestyle of long term car ownership.

What type of Engineer are you?

Understand... Everybody's situation is different. We have an F-150 too - Prius doesn't haul motorcycles well! LOL!!!
I lived with a 1965 Ranchero Pickup that was totaled TWICE and I put TWO engines in and had over 285K miles on it while I worked though college. I drive newer cars now ;) OBTW - there are shops in LA and San Francisco doing battery pac upgrades, replacements and overhauls.... It's like anything else automotive, if it breaks, somebody will offer a service or parts to fix it. :D Sometimes I think about buying ONE old Pickup with NO electronics - Points and a Carb - that I can FIX every piece of without a code scanner! LOL!!! But that's why I have motorcycles ;)

Software Engineer for the F/A-18 and several other Navy Weapons systems is my Day Job....(one of three, I stay busy!)

David Eaton
12-30-2012, 09:00 PM
My wife and I are doing the new car thing as well. We have decided on the 2013 Ford Escape (Titanium Package). We test drove every make and model of crossover we could find... Which is pretty daunting these days! It's comfortable , drives and handles great, looks cool. The Kia Sorento was surprisingly nice as well... But , we both kept going back to the Ford. It is the first time we have agreed 100% on a vehicle in 16 years....kinda scary....

The ability to open and close the lift gate by moving your foot under the bumper is really cool. I don't think it's cool enough to make me buy one...but if I were in the market that's the direction I'd go.

I've got an 06 Freestyle with about 85k. Twice a year we drive from western KY to Md and it's a great travel car...that's one of my hesitations on the escape...we'd have to roof rack stuff for travel. Other than that, it's almost perfect for me.

Proxmax
01-01-2013, 01:24 PM
get a mercedes benz! :biggrin:

cjmwrx
02-18-2013, 02:56 AM
get a mercedes benz! :biggrin:


Bing! I have a 2008 C300 I got for 26K that had 3.7K on it when I bought it. Have driven it for 14K now with nothing other than an oil change at 13K. Has been to Vegas, Dallas, New Orleans, All over Ohio, Missouri, Illinois, and Wisconsin. Most comfortable I have ever been. Decent gas mileage at 26mpg hwy.

sergiodeblanc
02-18-2013, 04:05 AM
Bing! I have a 2008 C300 I got for 26K that had 3.7K on it when I bought it. Have driven it for 14K now with nothing other than an oil change at 13K. Has been to Vegas, Dallas, New Orleans, All over Ohio, Missouri, Illinois, and Wisconsin. Most comfortable I have ever been. Decent gas mileage at 26mpg hwy.

Guess I gotta ride to Experience this year!:wink:

Mike Duncan
02-18-2013, 06:21 AM
I drive an FJ Cruiser. The thing is incredible off road and in the snow. Makes sense, I live on paved roads and we no longer get snow. It's nothing but blind spots. It has the aerodynamics of a cinder block (lots of fun driving over the Bay Bridge). Of course, there's the gas consumption - carbon footprint? More like a carbon stomp...that said, I love it. But you guys do have me gassing.

JMintzer
02-18-2013, 06:55 AM
I have a 2 yo Hyundai Genesis that I love! Granted, it's a bit bigger than what you're looking at. Check out the Sonata or the Elantra. I went shopping with my friend's daughter (he's in FL, she now lives up here), and I was very impressed by the Elantra. The Sonata was too small for me to drive comfortably...

They all have a 10 yr/100K mile power train warranty, but I added a 10 yr/120K mile bumper to bumper warranty for $1250. Even with the warranty, taxes and tags, I paid $4K under the window sticker. Fitzgerald (the local dealer) was a pleasure to deal with...


Jamie

rugerpc
02-18-2013, 07:51 AM
I don't need a new car at this time. I'm hoping that will last a while, because what I want the next car to be will be an iteration of this:

http://firm-guide.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/Porsche-Cayman-picture-4.jpg

cjmwrx
02-18-2013, 09:22 AM
Guess I gotta ride to Experience this year!:wink:

Works for me, I love company!

John Beef
02-18-2013, 09:47 AM
I don't need a new car at this time. I'm hoping that will last a while, because what I want the next car to be will be an iteration of this:

http://firm-guide.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/Porsche-Cayman-picture-4.jpg
Where the heck does the guitar amp go in something like this?

I love my Honda Element. I can carry the whole family, or my wife and I can go to a gig with the back seats removed with a guitar head and 4x12, a 6 space rack bass head and Ampeg 8x10, two peldalboards in cases, two basses and three guitars in cases, two equipment boxes, a keyboard in a case plus a keyboard amp, and a plastic tub of merchandise. And I get around 24MPG combined, plus being 6'6" tall, I have more headroom than any other vehicle I've ever driven. It's simply the ultimate vehicle.

rugerpc
02-18-2013, 10:24 AM
I don't need a new car at this time. I'm hoping that will last a while, because what I want the next car to be will be an iteration of this:

http://firm-guide.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/Porsche-Cayman-picture-4.jpg


Where the heck does the guitar amp go in something like this?



Take your pick:

Front trunk:

http://images.gtcarlot.com/pictures/61512452.jpg

Rear trunk:

http://images.gtcarlot.com/pictures/1638549.jpg

Or with the roadies in the Ferrari:

http://www.limoscenez.com/wp-content/gallery/ferrari-limo/ferrari-9.jpg

John Beef
02-18-2013, 11:15 AM
Hmmm, I'll have to take my 4x12 to the dealership. :biggrin:

RedGuitars
02-18-2013, 06:36 PM
Just did.

Referring to the 'thing you used to do yourself' thread... as we get older, my wife began to think that her 10 year old roadster convertible sat a little too low, didn't have enough room, etc. We traded on a high end used coupe. Got a great deal on a car we could never afford new. Got a good trade value on a semi high end used car. Worked out great.

If you're near any kind of a big city, there are a lot of these businesses, that turn high end used cars for a fraction of their original sticker prices.

We bought an '09, with 50K on it - looks like it just came off the showroom floor.

Rango
02-19-2013, 12:38 PM
Just did.

Referring to the 'thing you used to do yourself' thread... as we get older, my wife began to think that her 10 year old roadster convertible sat a little too low, didn't have enough room, etc. We traded on a high end used coupe. Got a great deal on a car we could never afford new. Got a good trade value on a semi high end used car. Worked out great.

If you're near any kind of a big city, there are a lot of these businesses, that turn high end used cars for a fraction of their original sticker prices.

We bought an '09, with 50K on it - looks like it just came off the showroom floor.


My friends and I joke about "doctor lease turn ins", but there is a lot of value in a clean late model car. :top:

One of the guys here just went the to the "impractical" side with a new Z06 'Vette but he picked it up used with 3800 miles - no I didn't leave a zero off :biggrin: For about HALF the sticker price! :D

dmorton67
02-19-2013, 02:58 PM
My acura tl went out in october with some major transmission work needed. Too many lights going on. So after 160k, I looked around and ended up with a 2013 subaru outback. I really like. The ride is comfortable and now I can haul as much equipment as I want :D

sergiodeblanc
02-19-2013, 03:50 PM
Works for me, I love company!

bangin'

Daniel
02-19-2013, 08:43 PM
I got a new VW Passat last month. So far it's been great. There is tons of legroom in the back seat, the trunk is huge and the rear seat backs fold down to let really long stuff pass through (there's a small pass-through in the center arm rest). The ride is a little soft and "floaty" over bumps but despite that it handles well for a loaded four-door sedan. Fuel mileage is right where the window sticker said it would be. I wanted the diesel but couldn't pass up the finance deal VW offered on the 5-cylinder gas model (5.5 years, 0%). And hey, it says "Fender" on the dash!


Look into Dodge. Because of their parent company (Ferrari) they offer a LIFETIME WARRANTY. I paid around $6,000 for the warranty when I bought my Dodge Journey. ALL oil changes and scheduled maintenance's are paid for under the warranty.

Come on now, Chrysler is owned by FIAT. Yes, FIAT has owned Ferrari for decades but it was never the other way round.