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sergiodeblanc
01-10-2013, 12:11 PM
Quite possibly the finest record company that has ever existed, and home of some of the greatest talent the world has ever known, yeah I'm talkin' about Motown.

What are your thoughts when you hear a classic Motown groove? Do you feel an uncontrollable urge to get up and dance and sing along? Could you imagine a world without Marvin, Smokey, Chaka, Diana, Michael, or Stevie?

I would love to see and hear your favorite Motown songs, over fifty years of such incredible music must surely have some fans on this forum, so lets hear it!



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RfyFI-4ZsaE




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=izzKUoxL11E



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b2WzocbSd2w


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s3Q80mk7bxE


This is just a start!

LSchefman
01-10-2013, 01:34 PM
The Supremes went to my high school...Cass Tech, downtown Detroit. They were 5 years older, so I missed them, but Motown was huge when I was there.

I went to the Motown Reviews at Detroit's Fox Theater; my favorites on the label were The Temptations. I took bass lessons from one of the guys who did sessions for them when Jamerson passed away.

Motown was indeed a creative and superb label, but for one issue: the early stars and writers seem to have had great difficulty getting accountings and royalty payments over the years; a very old lawsuit involving several writers was only resolved last year. Possibly a blemish on Motown's accomplishments.

markie
01-10-2013, 01:44 PM
I have always been a big fan of the Temptations myself & I always dug Ronnie Spector's voice.

The list could actually go on & on for me.............

LSchefman
01-10-2013, 04:59 PM
I have always been a big fan of the Temptations myself & I always dug Ronnie Spector's voice.

The list could actually go on & on for me.............

Ronnie Spector was not on Motown...Motown was a Detroit label until around 1970, and the original roster consisted of Detroit-based acts. You might be thinking of Martha and the Vandellas, who were a Motown act.

Being a New Yorker, Ronnie was originally on Philles Records (owned by Phil Spector) and ultimately went to another label, Colpix ( I'm not sure if Phil Spector was involved in that).

Not that it matters to most, but the Motown sound had a different vibe than Spector's "Wall of Sound" technique; I've always thought that it was interesting that in that era, there was a definite "Philly" sound, a NY sound, a Memphis sound, etc., and the process of recording was extremely varied because no one was using the same equipment. Labels literally built their own recording consoles back then, and every label had its own echo chamber with a unique sound, etc. Today, everything is mixed on the same gear, mastered and processed in similar ways, etc, and I think it's a big reason why so much material sounds like everything else.

The old stuff had personality and reflected the style of where it was recorded! Even the British Invasion material was very different sounding from label to label; the London Stones records sounded way different from the EMI recordings the Beatles made, The Who's Decca stuff had its own vibe, and really that sonic variety was awesome. At least to me...you went out to the West Coast, and records by acts like The Beach Boys or The Ventures sounded different, too.

sergiodeblanc
01-10-2013, 06:01 PM
Not that it matters to most, but the Motown sound had a different vibe than Spector's "Wall of Sound" technique; I've always thought that it was interesting that in that era, there was a definite "Philly" sound, a NY sound, a Memphis sound, etc., and the process of recording was extremely varied because no one was using the same equipment. Labels literally built their own recording consoles back then, and every label had its own echo chamber with a unique sound, etc. Today, everything is mixed on the same gear, mastered and processed in similar ways, etc, and I think it's a big reason why so much material sounds like everything else.

The old stuff had personality and reflected the style of where it was recorded! Even the British Invasion material was very different sounding from label to label; the London Stones records sounded way different from the EMI recordings the Beatles made, The Who's Decca stuff had its own vibe, and really that sonic variety was awesome. At least to me...you went out to the West Coast, and records by acts like The Beach Boys or The Ventures sounded different, too.

Exactly. I loved the fact that the sounds were unique, that is one of the things I really enjoy about the earlier reggae labels from Jamaica too.

It's cool to hear some of your recollections given your location and the time period you grew up Les. Who did you study under if you don't mind me asking? I had almost no Idea who played on any of these songs until I saw "Standing in the Shadows of Motown", The Funk Brothers must be the most popular unknown musicians in the world.

LSchefman
01-10-2013, 06:46 PM
Who did you study under if you don't mind me asking? I had almost no Idea who played on any of these songs until I saw "Standing in the Shadows of Motown", The Funk Brothers must be the most popular unknown musicians in the world.

I took lessons from Dan Pliskow, a mostly jazz guy who also played on Motown sessions. Dan worked with Wes Montgomery, too. He is a very talented, sweet man, and a great teacher.

I am sure that I was his worst student of all time. ;)

sergiodeblanc
01-10-2013, 07:12 PM
Wow. Could you imagine being included in the same caliber of player's as Babbitt, Jamerson, and Felder? I don't know if I would have the courage to show up for work!

LSchefman
01-10-2013, 07:36 PM
Wow. Could you imagine being included in the same caliber of player's as Babbitt, Jamerson, and Felder? I don't know if I would have the courage to show up for work!

I dunno...I'd never have been asked to the gig!

By the way, one of my first "big dates" was to see Wes Montgomery play at Baker's in Detroit. Great little club, really a small place, hosted lots of jazz greats. I didn't really know a thing about jazz at the time, but I liked listening to his music, and wanted to impress my date with my urbane teenage sophistication. ;)

In those days, the greats still played small clubs, only a few feet from the audience's tables, and it was pretty exciting stuff!

In fact, in 1966 The Who played a high school dance at a Detroit Area high school called Southfield High. Yes, that The Who. High School Dance. It wasn't like it became in the late 60s and 70s with Arenas, and that sort of thing. Big time bands did college homecoming shows, small club gigs, ballroom gigs, etc. And big time pop artists did hotel and night club shows with only a few hundred people in attendance; I saw many of them because my parents dragged me everywhere. Barbra Streisand did a summer gig at a restaurant in Detroit called The Caucus Club. A restaurant gig!

It's funny because now far lesser bands turn up their noses at small venue gigs that Wes Montgomery and other classic bands would have gladly taken.

sergiodeblanc
01-10-2013, 10:40 PM
Yeah, I remember my mother complaining about seeing some jazz pianist who didn't play the melody's to some of her favorite tunes at some hole in the wall in the 60's, I guess his name was Ramsey Lewis? She had never heard of him before. :flute:

Goldtop
01-11-2013, 08:17 AM
I love Motown! Here are just three of my favorites. I love the SOUND of most Motown songs. Their studio(s) had this resonance that is amazing to me. A relatively simple thing like a finger snap took on a whole new life when it came from Motown. The TONE!

The horns in this one... Oh Baby!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yQP8BgJGVIc

Baby, I need my Motown!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KUOntQocGWk


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z59EVHU8MjI

Lloyd/Goldtop/Queen of Clubs

sergiodeblanc
01-11-2013, 12:36 PM
Here's a "newerish" Motown artist Remy Shand. It's a really cool record clinging to the "California Motown" sound of the 70's.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=geApXoexAIM

docbennett
01-12-2013, 08:59 AM
My favorite Motown tunes and artists:





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That's what I get for being a punk, metal, grunge, classic rock kinda guy. The closest I can get to this genre is to listen to Ted Nugent play "Motor City Madman".

MykeWright
01-12-2013, 11:32 AM
http://youtu.be/Nr44XmlVjfc

LSchefman
01-12-2013, 12:24 PM
My favorite Motown tunes and artists:





:dontknow::dontknow::dontknow:









That's what I get for being a punk, metal, grunge, classic rock kinda guy. The closest I can get to this genre is to listen to Ted Nugent play "Motor City Madman".

Classic Rock? Consider that on the Beatles' second album, three of the eleven songs were Motown songs:

"You Really Got A Hold On Me," "Money," and "Please Mr. Postman."

The Rolling Stones' first records had ""Can I Get a Witness," a song that was later adapted by the Chili Peppers, and "Money," also covered by the Searchers.

Countless of the original Garage bands of the mid 60s, whose recordings are the base of the whole Garage movement, covered Motown songs, including perhaps the archetypical band of the Garage genre, The Kingsmen.

Elvis Costello covered "Tracks of My Tears." Vanilla Fudge had hits with several Motown songs, including "Set Me Free Why Don'tcha Babe." New Wave? How about The English Beat, who covered Smokey Robinson tunes and toured with The Clash?

I could give hundreds more examples, but you get the point.

All music isn't for everyone, of course, but the Motown sound and the label's music were very, very influential and an inspiration to generations of rock musicians, and Motown is definitely a significant part of the foundations of the genre. If you allow yourself to really listen to what's there in the original songs, you might come away with a deeper understanding of modern popular music, and you might actually enjoy yourself if you open yourself up to it.

Even my son, who is deeply into rock and punk genres, listens to Motown material and says he's very influenced by the records. I think you're really missing out on some great stuff!

As a musician and writer, I do think it's important to understand where ideas come from, and how the influences on music grew music and interacted with one another. Motown took pop songs and Blues and married them in a way that Motown songs absolutely hammered the junk that artists like Pat Boone, Bobby Rydell, Dion, and others of that ilk were putting out in the early 60s. Songs like "Dancing In The Streets" (1964) were a revelation at the time (and also covered by Mick Jagger and David Bowie!).

To miss out on Motown is akin to missing out on Blues; you can play rock n' roll without really getting down and understanding either, but you will come up short at some point because you will lack a real understanding of the basics. I hear Motown even in The Allmans' early stuff. Just my two cents!

By the way, weren't you working on a lead guitar solo that was recorded by Michael Jackson??

docbennett
01-12-2013, 12:43 PM
Classic Rock? Consider that on the Beatles' second album, three of the eleven songs were Motown songs:

"You Really Got A Hold On Me," "Money," and "Please Mr. Postman."

The Rolling Stones' first records had ""Can I Get a Witness," a song that was later adapted by the Chili Peppers, and "Money," also covered by the Searchers.

Countless of the original Garage bands of the mid 60s, whose recordings are the base of the whole Garage movement, covered Motown songs, including perhaps the archetypical band of the Garage genre, The Kingsmen.

Elvis Costello covered "Tracks of My Tears." Vanilla Fudge had hits with several Motown songs, including "Set Me Free Why Don'tcha Babe." New Wave? How about The English Beat, who covered Smokey Robinson tunes and toured with The Clash?

I could give hundreds more examples, but you get the point.

All music isn't for everyone, of course, but the Motown sound and the label's music were very, very influential and an inspiration to generations of rock musicians, and Motown is definitely a significant part of the foundations of the genre. If you allow yourself to really listen to what's there in the original songs, you might come away with a deeper understanding of modern popular music, and you might actually enjoy yourself if you open yourself up to it.

Even my son, who is deeply into rock and punk genres, listens to Motown material and says he's very influenced by the records. I think you're really missing out on some great stuff!

Understood. That being said, not one of the songs you mentioned would be something I'd be drawn to. Oh well. There's something for everyone, and everyone's tastes are different. That's what makes it such an interesting world.

LSchefman
01-12-2013, 12:53 PM
Understood. That being said, not one of the songs you mentioned would be something I'd be drawn to. Oh well. There's something for everyone, and everyone's tastes are different. That's what makes it such an interesting world.

As I added in an edit to my post, you were working on a Michael Jackson tune that you posted here, weren't you?

The Jackson 5 and Michael were quintessential Motown artists! The tune you learned a solo to was part of one of his first post-Motown records (he left Motown largely for personal reasons and conflicts with Gordy). To say that you aren't drawn to Motown really isn't 100% accurate. You just don't happen to care for the early stuff.

I saw the Jackson 5 play live in Detroit several times before Michael left while they were with Motown; they were a fantastic rock band, with a soulful edge. Awesome stuff.

And you ARE drawn to artists whose music was influenced by Motown, and who covered Motown songs while learning their own craft. So I'm calling semi-BS, or maybe just lack of understanding?

Anyway, you're right, nothing is for everyone. But I still think you would be well-served by opening the mind and the ears, and letting the ideas filter in. ;)

Honestly, I listen to music genres I don't usually enjoy all the time, and sometimes I discover some really cool stuff!

sergiodeblanc
01-12-2013, 01:16 PM
It is possible to like music that was influenced by an artist/genre and not like the original artist. I don't care for Dylan and I hate the Beatles, but I love Earth Wind & Fire and INXS. Every time I tell that to somebody they tell me I'm wrong and then proceed to play me example after example of music I find terribly painful to listen to, so instead of trying to persuade you to change your mind I will just say; you're wrong Doc. :proud:

On a serious note: So what do you listen to when it's time to get romantic, or take your wife dancing? Does Ginger mosh?:rock:

docbennett
01-12-2013, 03:34 PM
As I added in an edit to my post, you were working on a Michael Jackson tune that you posted here, weren't you?

Actually, I consider that an EVH tune, based on the guitar parts.


On a serious note: So what do you listen to when it's time to get romantic, or take your wife dancing? Does Ginger mosh?:rock:

Stuff like "Why don't we do it in the Road" and "Blitzkrieg Bop" and yes..with me!! :laugh:

sergiodeblanc
01-12-2013, 05:26 PM
I watched some movie last night that featured this tune and it got stuck in my head all day today.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fINER7NPkpA

LSchefman
01-12-2013, 11:50 PM
Actually, I consider that an EVH tune, based on the guitar parts.

I'm really disappointed that you would make this myopic a comment. Give credit where it's due. Michael Jackson wrote the music and lyrics and co-produced that record with Quincy Jones, one of the all time great producers.

To call it an EVH record is almost an insult to anyone's intelligence.

It's true that EVH came in and added a nice piece to the puzzle, but it was a largely completed recording when he walked into the session and laid down a guitar part like any other session cat. It already had a great beat, a great melody, good lyrics, an arrangement, and a vibe before he walked into that session.

If there's a reason you're unable to give credit where it's due, and to acknowledge the song's writer and main performer, I can't understand it and...well...I guess it's your loss.

Dirty Bob
01-13-2013, 09:12 AM
Les...I was under the impression he was literally just focusing on the guitar parts and saying beyond that everything else in general it's just not his bag.


now me....I dig me some Motown....look at some of the early R&B Hendrix appearances!

docbennett
01-13-2013, 09:49 AM
Les...I was under the impression he was literally just focusing on the guitar parts and saying beyond that everything else in general it's just not his bag.


now me....I dig me some Motown....look at a lot of the early Hendrix appearances!!!

Thank you very much. And as I said....everyone has different taste. NO reason to excoriate someone whose opinion differs, IMO.

Never liked Phil Spector's "Wall of Sound" either. However, it appears that Phil was a crazy man who is now reaping the seeds he has sown. And, after that cameo in "Easy Rider" he went from the king of cool to the madman with the gun. Held the Ramones hostage at one point and threatened to shoot Dee Dee if they didn't finish the tracks as per his dictates.

sergiodeblanc
01-13-2013, 11:44 AM
I love this song, classiest use of the word "freaky" in a song I have ever heard.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tlS61_o5B-U

LSchefman
01-13-2013, 12:24 PM
Thank you very much. And as I said....everyone has different taste. NO reason to excoriate someone whose opinion differs, IMO.

I'm not going to argue the point except to say this: Authorship of a tune is not a matter of opinion. And if you listen to the tune, the guitar part follows, and then does a variation on, the vocal melody.

That melody was laid down before EVH walked into that studio. Without the melody that EVH did NOT write, there is no guitar part.

So the comment that it's somehow an EVH tune is, I think, disrespectful of the actual author. I don't know why you'd want to do that. As a musician, I'll add this: If you can't appreciate the entirety of the tune and the soulfulness of the music and the melody it's based on, you'll never play that solo well. So that's your "punishment." ;)

docbennett
01-13-2013, 12:48 PM
I'm not going to argue the point Oh Yes you are, Les except to say this: Authorship of a tune is not a matter of opinion. And if you listen to the tune, the guitar part follows, and then does a variation on, the vocal melody.

That melody was laid down before EVH walked into that studio. Without the melody that EVH did NOT write, there is no guitar part.

So the comment that it's somehow an EVH tune is, I think, disrespectful of the actual author. To be honest, I really don't care about being disrespectful to either MJ or EVH. One is deceased, but my personal opinions of both artists are extremely jaundiced. I find them both to be people I'd never choose to be friendly with. I don't know why you'd want to do that. As a musician, I'll add this: If you can't appreciate the entirety of the tune and the soulfulness of the music and the melody it's based on, you'll never play that solo well. Well...I'll certainly accept your critique of my playing and related skill set...however I refute your allegation that one must "appreciate" the music one is playing in order to play it properly. I love to play Pink Floyd. IMO Roger Waters was a real jerk from 1977 through 2008. I guess that means I'll never be able to play any Dave Gilmore solos from the "Animals" era through "The Final Cut". Oh well. So that's your "punishment." ;) Les....now that my parents are both deceased, only my wife has the capacity to punish me. And I must admit it's fun sometimes.;)


Les....Interpolated within your comments above, you will not find me saying that I obviously do like some Motown tunes. I tend to not prefer the entire genre...just not my cup of tea. However, some tunes are certainly enjoyable to me. And, that being said, I will never again hear the cheerfully pop "I was made to love her" by Stevie Wonder without automatically associating it with Harlan Ellison's "Shattered Like a Glass Goblin" which uses the tune as background music in a disturbing story that forever created a creepy and upsetting nexus between the two for me.

Enough tangential prattle. Back to you guys who actually enjoy the genre.

LSchefman
01-13-2013, 03:19 PM
>>however I refute your allegation that one must "appreciate" the music one is playing in order to play it properly. I love to play Pink Floyd. IMO Roger Waters was a real jerk from 1977 through 2008.<<

Truth is, if you don't appreciate - and by that I don't mean "like" - I mean *understand* the vibe, the rhythmic nuance, the melody, the song - you can't play it well. Nor do you have to like the whole genre; but to do it well, you really do need to understand what's going on, and the more experience you have with it as a listener and a player, the better you can play it. Very simple, truly.

You're also infusing the artist's personality problems into the music, which is a separate thing. The music is capable of being appreciated for what it is; music may be able to inspire emotion, but it is abstract. This is why you are able to like Pink Floyd's music without liking Roger Waters. The personality of the player isn't the key to unlocking the music. You can be as crazy as a bedbug, or have intractable issues, but still write some awesome music, write some good books, or paint some wonderful paintings, etc. See, e.g., Van Gogh, Hemingway.

The more one understands, the more ideas one can apply to the playing (especially instinctively - something that takes time spent with the music), the better one plays.

Dirty Bob
01-13-2013, 03:42 PM
:dancing:

LSchefman
01-13-2013, 03:59 PM
:dancing:

OK, fine. We're having a discussion, defined as:

"discussion |disˈkəSHən|
noun
the action or process of talking about something, typically in order to reach a decision or to exchange ideas: the proposals are not a blueprint but ideas for discussion | the specific content of the legislation was under discussion .
• a conversation or debate about a certain topic: discussions about environmental improvement programs.
• a detailed treatment of a particular topic in speech or writing."

This involves some back and forth exchange of ideas, not just one liners, expressing an opinion, and then going away with nothing more to say. That ain't a discussion. This is.

Dirty Bob
01-13-2013, 05:01 PM
Les....I'm not trying to be a douche.

you are right Michael Jackson wrote the song....it's his. EVH contributed some brilliant playing through his interpretation of what MJ was trying to do. Bennett only cares about the guitar part because well..he plays guitar and he recognizes something special in the playing. He does not identify with the music beyond that according to him. This is to me where it should end so everyone can go about talking about Motown influences....instead the Doc took your retort as an attack on his playing...which I dont think thats how you intended it...yadda yadda.
The two of you waste tremendous energy attacking each other while Sergio attempted to keep the discussion on track. I threw out the line about Hendrix just to test the water and see if that would spark any conversation to bring everything back to the Motown discussion. West Coast Seattle Boy had some cool tracks that Hendrix played on that were Motownesqe....the Isley Brothers Testify for instance.

its the fuggin Internet....if the two of you lived closer I'm sure you could go out and have a drink together and have a fun discussion. Hence I stand by my :dancing:and will raise you a :beer:.....and just for Sergio I'll add a :girl:.


as far as Internet land goes I luv ya both...so chill the Fug out!

LSchefman
01-13-2013, 05:10 PM
The two of you waste tremendous energy attacking each other

You're no douche!

But a discussion isn't an attack. It's an expression of differing viewpoints in this case. I have no interest in attacking anyone. It's why I used the term, "disappointed" regarding Bennett's feeling that it's an EVH song, and not another term.

Fact is, Bennett and I communicate about lots of stuff offline, and we're friends (I think). My friends and I often have discussions in which we disagree, and it's cool, no one gets upset. Why should it be any different on what is supposed to be a "discussion forum?"

I figure this isn't Fox news, we don't all have to shout. But it does make sense (to me) that we engage freely in discussion. I honestly don't see that as a waste of energy. In fact, that's what energy is for! :)

Dirty Bob
01-13-2013, 05:10 PM
http://youtu.be/FUdYp-6a4RA


although I do believe this is before they signed with Motown...

Dirty Bob
01-13-2013, 05:12 PM
But a discussion isn't an attack. It's an expression of differing viewpoints in this case.

Fact is, Bennett and I communicate about lots of stuff offline, and we're friends (I think). My friends and I have discussions in which we disagree, and it's cool, no one gets upset. Why should it be any different on a "discussion forum?"

Maybe I personally found it upsetting because I respect you both and it was obvious you two weren't seeing eye to eye and I attempted to diffuse it.


that and Sergio tried to spin some Marvin Gaye and it was fuggin up the vibe!

Dirty Bob
01-13-2013, 05:34 PM
http://youtu.be/gT65GFEMQ2s

sergio...This one is for you!

sergiodeblanc
01-13-2013, 05:40 PM
.....and just for Sergio I'll add a :girl:.


:wave:

Thank you for getting us back on track.

sergiodeblanc
01-13-2013, 05:46 PM
http://youtu.be/gT65GFEMQ2s

sergio...This one is for you!

Thanks Bob, I see you Rick James and raise you the Mary Jane Girls.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t2gyAEWVMhE

Dirty Bob
01-13-2013, 05:53 PM
That's unbelievable! I don't think I can top that!:adore:

Dirty Bob
01-13-2013, 09:12 PM
http://youtu.be/MISc4RISJlE

Joystick! Check out those moves!

LSchefman
01-14-2013, 12:35 PM
Bob encouraged me to post again in this thread. Admittedly, I can be a very stubborn person. So I'd like to give a little more background, while at the same time apologize to anyone who was or is offended:

Motown was HUGE when I was in high school. It was a symbol of progress for my generation in Detroit in the way kids of different races began to relate to each other. Everyone was proud of Motown music. We were excited about it. In a big way, the music was a bridge for understanding at a time when big changes were occurring all over America. Yes, that sounds corny, but there you are. It was especially important in the magnet school I attended in Downtown Detroit, that had 4500 kids from all over the city, from all backgrounds, and had been the high school of some of the Motown stars.

We formed integrated bands to perform both Motown music and other rock music. We started integrated clubs, and the clubs had dances that were fun and successful. It felt wonderful that everyone was closer; we'd be beaming with mutual admiration after a gig. Yeah, that sounds corny now, too, but it meant something in the 60s.

If you haven't done it, you have no idea how much fun it is to perform with a horn section and a real vocal group, as opposed to one rock singer - it's a gas! In college, the bands who played all over campus did a lot of Motown. I was in another band in college with horns; and the band was also a coming together of kids from different races and backgrounds. We had TONS of fun. It was a big part of my history as a musician. I believe that playing the music helped me develop as a musician and as a human being. That reads pretty corny, too. I suppose it is, but it means something important to me. YMMV.

I try to be open-minded when I listen to music. I get frustrated when I think that others aren't. But everyone's clearly entitled to their opinion when it comes to what they like and relate to, and what they don't.

Every so often, I'm asked to do something for an ad in that style of music; clients are sometimes surprised that I can arrange a vocal group, horns, etc., that sound authentic. I just smile. ;)

Dirty Bob
01-14-2013, 12:39 PM
Great post! Thanks Les.

docbennett
01-14-2013, 01:12 PM
Les...being your age, and living where you live, was kinda like me growing up near Greenwich Village in NYC as the Ramones, Blondie, Talking Heads, NY Dolls, David Johannsen....not to mention the forerunners Lou Reed, Velvet Underground and the entire CBGB, Mud Club and burgeoning Punk Scene exploded into the New York Village and Soho scene.

I can see why you are so passionate about this era and the related music. Kinda like why I am so passionate about the "3-chord progressions" that became Punk, and the "New Wave".

I think you just gotta be a bit more tolerant of those who don't share your musical preferences. You didn't mean to be offensive, but some of your comments can be perceived as overly critical when you write with the aforementioned passion. I see you've edited a lot of your comments. You've softened them up considerably. But, for example, when you describe one's comments as "insult to others' intelligence" you are making that jump from "criticism" to "personal attack"...at least it appeared that way. And then, the resulting debate takes away from the original topic of the thread.

No harm, no foul and as we've already established, everyone has the right to their own taste and their own opinion. I respect the fact that you feel so strongly about your music.

sergiodeblanc
01-14-2013, 01:38 PM
Motown was HUGE when I was in high school. It was a symbol of progress for my generation in Detroit in the way kids of different races began to relate to each other. Everyone was proud of Motown music. We were excited about it. In a big way, the music was a bridge for understanding at a time when big changes were occurring all over America. Yes, that sounds corny, but there you are. It was especially important in the magnet school I attended in Downtown Detroit, that had 4500 kids from all over the city, from all backgrounds, and had been the high school of some of the Motown stars.

We formed integrated bands to perform both Motown music and other rock music. We started integrated clubs, and the clubs had dances that were fun and successful. It felt wonderful that everyone was closer; we'd be beaming with mutual admiration after a gig. Yeah, that sounds corny now, too, but it meant something in the 60s.



I don't think it sounds corny at all, I think that is one of the great things about Motown and a true testament to the power of music. Some people tend to forget (or never knew) that there was a time in this country where in some states it was illegal to have an integrated group of musicians playing on the same stage!

You (Les) and I have had a couple of good debates over a few subjects in the past that may have come off as uncomfortable for the people who were not involved, so I know first hand what it's like to go head to head with you and it's always FUN! So no worries if you think I'm offended, in all honesty I was looking forward to your insights about the subject matter when I originally posted this thread.

Doc don't do Motown, that's cool. I don't like tomato's but I still love pizza, that doesn't make much sense either, but there it is. I would expect a little resistance if I posted a comment on a thread about tomato's belonging in the dairy section though. :girl:

Carry on.

sergiodeblanc
01-14-2013, 01:53 PM
Can't forget about Teena!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R6nzSNWTU5Q

LSchefman
01-14-2013, 03:15 PM
Les...being your age, and living where you live, was kinda like me growing up near Greenwich Village in NYC as the Ramones, Blondie, Talking Heads, NY Dolls, David Johannsen....not to mention the forerunners Lou Reed, Velvet Underground and the entire CBGB, Mud Club and burgeoning Punk Scene exploded into the New York Village and Soho scene.

I was really excited about the NYC New Wave/Punk scene myself. When my brother got out of his grad art program, he moved to NYC and rented a loft in SoHo. On my first trip there, the SoHo artist residence movement was a new thing; so much so that the cab driver refused to drive down his street at night (He lived on Spring Street near Broom) and let us off at the corner. This was around 1975. I visited him often during the entire time he was there (until 1989), and when the whole CBGB thing started happening, we went. Plus I was also into Velvet Underground and Lou Reed's stuff earlier on as well.

Early on, we also went to Studio 54, which was a completely different scene. There was a lot going on then, as now. Music is diverse.

But I'm also a veteran of the Greenwich Village scene, and went to NY to see friends from college during the summers; saw several of my favorite jazz and folk artists at places like the Village Vanguard during 1969-70.

Plus a lot of the punk scene influence came from Detroit bands like the MC5 and Stooges, who were acquaintances because they lived across the street from me in Ann Arbor during 1968-69. I also knew the guys in Commander Cody's band from my Ann Arbor days, and appeared on the same bill with them. There was this whole rockabilly thing happening that I loved at the same time as all the other stuff.

At one point in the early 70s I was in an all-acoustic bluegrass group. So...yeah. Lots of music. Did I mention my psychedelic/rock band that did Beatles, Who, Cream, Vanilla Fudge, Iron Butterfly, Sly, Chambers Brothers...I wasn't that crazy about being in a pop cover band by then, but it WAS fun doing that material.

I somehow went from there to learning Erik Satie on piano...

Like I said, I have a LOT of different influences and like (and play) a LOT of different musical styles. Open mind = good thing.

LSchefman
01-14-2013, 03:41 PM
I don't think it sounds corny at all, I think that is one of the great things about Motown and a true testament to the power of music.

In the parlance of the time, the music was very...um...groovy! ;)

alantig
01-14-2013, 09:50 PM
+1 on Super Freak for me. I don't consider myself a big Motown fan (especially when compared to real Motown fans), but I do have a great appreciation for what they did. When I was in Detroit for the Frozen Four, I made a point of going to the Motown Museum. Very cool to stand in the studio where that music was created.

But the thing that stuck with me was that one of the guys in this band that recorded for Motown...

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_thlFYTjJbmQ/SFtH4-smUeI/AAAAAAAAGIY/wrxjyFoB07c/s400/btaylor.jpg

turned out to be...
http://l1.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/bsz6Lb5H14r9aTVNTlUG5g--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7Zmk9ZmlsbDtoPTI4NztxPTg1O3c9MjE1/http://l.yimg.com/os/251/2012/06/11/tommychong-jpg_180115.jpg

sergiodeblanc
01-21-2013, 02:10 AM
Sometimes you need the healing power that only music can provide. I feel safe to say it's something all of us here understand.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U9BSjRCN0cQ&list=AL94UKMTqg-9AT7j_2a6yCnmEHuvoS7IxS