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TEMPA
01-20-2013, 06:44 PM
Hey guys,

Proud and happy owner of a new SE 245 in tobacco burst here. Got the guitar on Saturday as a birthday present.

I discovered that the Australian importer/supplier clearly does nothing with the guitars when they arrive from OS as this one needed a good old truss rod tweak to get rid of shocking fret buzz on all 3 wound strings.

While adjusting the rod and playing with the guitar I discovered that after years of playing with 10's the standard 9's, especially on this short scale length, really aren't for me and I started thinking about a gauge change.

On all my other guitars that have come standard with 9's a change to 10's has been really straightforward and I have done it myself. The worry with the SE is the fact that the nut slots look quite tight when eyeballed and I am not sure a change to 10's will be straightforward and without the need to attend to the slots.

Obviously with this guitar being a brand new gift I do not want to announce the need to take it to a tech for attention, that will not go down well understandably.

Do any other SE 245 owners, or SE owners in general, have any experience with changing from 9's to 10's?

Thanks for your help.

Cheers!

justmund
01-20-2013, 07:03 PM
I think I know who it was bought from...! At least it comes with the little card from PRS saying you need to adjust the truss rod, and how to actually do it to their specs!

I don't think you'll run into any dramas going to 10s, being a stoptail guitar. Even if the strings are a little sticky in the nut slots (they shouldn't be at 10-46, 10-52 they probably will be), and as long as the string is properly stretched you shouldn't experience any tuning issues.

I say chuck them on there and see what happens!

Our of interest, did you get a soft case with the guitar?

TEMPA
01-20-2013, 07:35 PM
Yeah I saw the card advising how to adjust the truss rod as I unpacked the guitar but disregarded it because I have never had to worry about that with a new guitar straight out of the box before. At least others have been playable!

Thanks for the advice, I will play it as is for a week or so and let things settle and then try a set of 10's on it.

Yes I got the soft case with the guitar.

Cheers!

justmund
01-20-2013, 08:01 PM
Sweet, let us know how you go.

What state are you in btw?

dbonanno
01-20-2013, 08:11 PM
At least it comes with the little card from PRS saying you need to adjust the truss rod, and how to actually do it to their specs!


Hmmm ... I never got that card. :(

Can someone maybe scan and post it?
Or is it maybe on the PRS website somewhere? :dontknow:

leeasam
01-20-2013, 08:14 PM
My boy has a SE245 and I also felt in needed 10s. changed them to D`Addario 10s no problem. If it grabs a bit on the wound strings just run the string in the slot back and forth a bit kind of like a saw. not too much just a bit.

justmund
01-20-2013, 08:17 PM
Hmmm ... I never got that card. :(

Can someone maybe scan and post it?
Or is it maybe on the PRS website somewhere? :dontknow:

I think this (http://www.prsguitars.com/csc/trussrod.html) is pretty similar to what was on the card

TEMPA
01-20-2013, 08:19 PM
Sweet, let us know how you go.

What state are you in btw?

I am in smoky Victoria. Although as you would know half of Australia is smoky at the moment.... :(

TEMPA
01-20-2013, 08:21 PM
If it grabs a bit on the wound strings just run the string in the slot back and forth a bit kind of like a saw. not too much just a bit.


Good tip!

Thanks!

justmund
01-20-2013, 08:45 PM
Good tip!

Thanks!
As with all nut slot adjustments, just make sure you don't deepen the nut and only widen it (unless of course that is your desired outcome)

I'm in Tas, we had our fair share of smokiness a couple of weeks ago (it's still lingering too).

TEMPA
01-20-2013, 09:02 PM
As with all nut slot adjustments, just make sure you don't deepen the nut and only widen it (unless of course that is your desired outcome)

I'm in Tas, we had our fair share of smokiness a couple of weeks ago (it's still lingering too).

Good point re the slots. I don't want to have to tamper with them at all so here's hoping! I will give the 10's a go in a week or so and see what happens. I am hoping I can change to 10's, maybe just use some graphite in the nut slots and be okay. Time will tell.

Did they get the Tassie fires under control? It's dropped off our news in Vic since half of Vic is now on fire....

justmund
01-20-2013, 09:14 PM
Good point re the slots. I don't want to have to tamper with them at all so here's hoping! I will give the 10's a go in a week or so and see what happens. I am hoping I can change to 10's, maybe just use some graphite in the nut slots and be okay. Time will tell.

Did they get the Tassie fires under control? It's dropped off our news in Vic since half of Vic is now on fire....
We're pretty good down here, had a little bit of rain here and there which has helped. You know gum trees though, they can smoulder for weeks and then fire up again in the right (wrong!) conditions.

TEMPA
01-20-2013, 09:59 PM
We're pretty good down here, had a little bit of rain here and there which has helped. You know gum trees though, they can smoulder for weeks and then fire up again in the right (wrong!) conditions.

Yeah, not good times.

Stay safe mate.

The only wood that should be smouldering is our fretboards from blistering runs....

dbonanno
01-20-2013, 10:46 PM
I think this (http://www.prsguitars.com/csc/trussrod.html) is pretty similar to what was on the card

Thanks so much! :)

TEMPA
01-21-2013, 03:21 AM
Hmmm ... I never got that card. :(

Can someone maybe scan and post it?
Or is it maybe on the PRS website somewhere? :dontknow:

Here you go -

http://imageshack.us/scaled/medium/15/img1132dc.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/15/img1132dc.jpg/)

dbonanno
01-21-2013, 08:54 AM
Thanks! :)

carpincowboy
01-21-2013, 01:07 PM
.2 mm i wish mine was that low. Just under 1mm and thats with a lot of tweaking. It came at around 1.5mm of action height. Lowered it to a sensible height and got lots of fret buzz so i had to compromise. Thats on a se245 limited edition

dbonanno
01-21-2013, 02:57 PM
Thats on a se245 limited edition

Just curious ... what's a "limited edition"? :confused:

carpincowboy
01-21-2013, 03:01 PM
Its a limited run of 6 colours of only 20 of each colour. Quilted veneer top and bird inlays. Theres pics in the show us your se thread page 8 or 9. Only available in the u.k

CoreyT
01-21-2013, 03:07 PM
I remember the video from awhile back on that limited run.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=noR6jzUPJLw

Mikegarveyblues
01-21-2013, 03:34 PM
.2 mm i wish mine was that low. Just under 1mm and thats with a lot of tweaking. It came at around 1.5mm of action height. Lowered it to a sensible height and got lots of fret buzz so i had to compromise. Thats on a se245 limited edition

1.5mm... Is this at the 12th? That's what i'd consider low. Who's running .2mm?!?!

Mikegarveyblues
01-21-2013, 03:35 PM
Pretty good chance you'll need to widen the slots a touch.

My new SE C24 is struggling with the stock 9's as a couple of strings are snagging. The slots generally seem to be cut just wide enough for the stock string guage.

carpincowboy
01-21-2013, 04:16 PM
Thats the one coreyt. Yep 1.5mm at the 12th fret. Now around 1mm.

Mikegarveyblues
01-21-2013, 04:20 PM
Thats the one coreyt. Yep 1.5mm at the 12th fret. Now around 1mm.

I couldn't go that low. My fingertips are quite fleshy so I need the action up a bit more so I can get purchase on a bend. Anything lower than 1.6mm and the string slips under my finger.

carpincowboy
01-21-2013, 04:37 PM
I too have rather bulbous fleshy finger end but i dont have a problem. Each too their own. Great guitar tho

Mikegarveyblues
01-21-2013, 04:41 PM
I too have rather bulbous fleshy finger end but i dont have a problem. Each too their own.

Absolutely! Nobody plays in exactly the same way so a guitar should always be setup to the owners preference.

TEMPA
01-21-2013, 04:43 PM
.2 mm i wish mine was that low. Just under 1mm and thats with a lot of tweaking. It came at around 1.5mm of action height. Lowered it to a sensible height and got lots of fret buzz so i had to compromise. Thats on a se245 limited edition

.2mm is the neck relief. Fret 1st and last fret measure relief at 8th fret and it is allegedly meant to be .2mm.

I had no relief at all on my mine when I got it. I am slowly tweaking it at the moment but I am past .2mm that's for sure. It is pretty much in line with the relief on my other guitars now and I have reduced the fret buzz considerably.

I am giving serious thought to moving to 10's though so no doubt I will need to back the truss rod off again to compensate for the extra string pull.

I have discovered an issue with the g string on it at present too. It reads in tune on my tuners, both open and fretted at the 12th, the 12th fret harmonic is in tune but the string sounds HORRIBLE. It sounds even more horrible when playing open chords . Open C makes you want to cry.... I am hoping a string change will fix it, if not it could be off to the tech for some nut massage... Or what ever alse needs to be done.....

carpincowboy
01-21-2013, 04:45 PM
I have a ibanez rg 1570 which is supposed to super low action for ultra fast shredding but the action is like 2mm at the 12th fret. I like it like that for some reason. Doesn't beat my PRS.