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Boze
02-01-2013, 08:53 AM
I've noticed that the "NEW" SC245 has a 2 pc bridge and it says that it for enhancing its vintage tone.

What are the pros & cons of having a design change from 1 wrap to 2 pc? I've played older SC245s that had the wrap-around and the sound just blew me away as well as the feel & the tuning stability of it. I haven't had the chance to play a 2 pc PRS let alone to compare the two bridge designs.

Anyone have any experience with these..?

PRSHB2
02-01-2013, 09:23 AM
As far as I know it's exactly the same 2-piece bridge that is on the SC-58 and the JA-15. I own both and find the bridge to be extremely comfortable. I note no decrease in tuning stability or sustain. Don't hesitate to give one a try.

http://jeffblack.smugmug.com/photos/i-JH25Kgw/0/XL/i-JH25Kgw-XL.jpg

Egads
02-01-2013, 09:53 AM
I love the one piece, but the two piece looks like a quick string change dream. I have mixed feelings about the visual appeal of the squared off corners. They are growing on me.

Viper_Rising
02-01-2013, 09:56 AM
I prefer the adjustable one piece. The two piece just reminds me of the competitor.

Twinfan
02-01-2013, 10:09 AM
^ me too. Plus the squared edges look terrible to my eyes.

Wrapover for me every time!

PRSHB2
02-01-2013, 10:19 AM
For those that prefer rounded corners. ;-)

http://www.machinemart.co.uk/images/library/product/huge/04/040213080.jpg

LSchefman
02-01-2013, 10:25 AM
I love the 2 piece on my SC58. I think it's woodier-sounding than the single piece wrap bridge. I had a couple of the Singlecut models with the one-piece, and much prefer the new bridge.

I kind of wish I had the 2-piece on my Sig Ltd!

As someone said, string changes are wonderfully simple, and the squared-off design is elegant and great-looking. But it's really about the tone.

cjmwrx
02-01-2013, 10:51 AM
As far as I know it's exactly the same 2-piece bridge that is on the SC-58 and the JA-15. I own both and find the bridge to be extremely comfortable. I note no decrease in tuning stability or sustain. Don't hesitate to give one a try.

http://jeffblack.smugmug.com/photos/i-JH25Kgw/0/XL/i-JH25Kgw-XL.jpg


I'm sorry, but to me, that is just a gorgeous bridge design.

Boze
02-01-2013, 11:04 AM
I would have to also agree that the tone is the bottom line. Others and I myself have been in a situation where the cosmetic appeal has been the X-factor in making a decision of one thing over another. Visually having more rel-estate behind the bridge, whatever the design, has always called to me. I would guess that the tuning & intonation set-up would be major factors as well.

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e127/Boze63/PRS%20gtr%20mods/prs1pc_zpse24b3542.jpg, http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e127/Boze63/PRS%20gtr%20mods/prs2pc_zps755d14f1.jpg

PRSHB2
02-01-2013, 11:15 AM
I'm sorry, but to me, that is just a gorgeous bridge design.
No need to be sorry man. I freaking love it!! Due to a tremor I absolutely must rest my hand on the bridge to play, along with a bit of pressure. This bridge is very comfortable for that. Trust me, not all bridges allow for it.

yankeebulldog
02-01-2013, 11:23 AM
I love the 2 piece on my SC58. I think it's woodier-sounding than the single piece wrap bridge.
I've actually found just the opposite to be true but I realize there are a lot of other factors going on there with the tone than just the bridge. My SC58 Artist with the ebony board and 2 pc was always brighter/thinner sounding no matter what pickups I tried. I'm not sure how much of that was the ebony vs. the bridge but I've never had that issue with LP Customs or other ebony boarded guitars with similar bridges. The other SC58 I had didn't have the same issue, but when doing a straight up comparison to a Ted SC with the same pickups, the 2 pc was noticeably brighter. Maybe that's more "vintage" correct tone, but I guess I've gotten used to something a little more ballsy.

FJ4
02-01-2013, 05:54 PM
This is a very interesting topic and i hope others would chime in.
Regarding PRS SC guitars will a wrap around bridge make the guitar sound closer to a Les Paul in comparison to a two piece bridge (say giving it more thump?) or vice-versa?.

t.shamone
02-01-2013, 08:11 PM
Nothing ugly about the two piece! I would love to have a guitar with one but sure am glad I have my Ted SC.

FJ4
02-02-2013, 10:51 AM
Anymore on this?

BrianC
02-02-2013, 10:56 AM
I've actually found just the opposite to be true but I realize there are a lot of other factors going on there with the tone than just the bridge. My SC58 Artist with the ebony board and 2 pc was always brighter/thinner sounding no matter what pickups I tried. I'm not sure how much of that was the ebony vs. the bridge but I've never had that issue with LP Customs or other ebony boarded guitars with similar bridges. The other SC58 I had didn't have the same issue, but when doing a straight up comparison to a Ted SC with the same pickups, the 2 pc was noticeably brighter. Maybe that's more "vintage" correct tone, but I guess I've gotten used to something a little more ballsy.


I have also found exactly this!!!

But I do love the look of the two piece PRS.

vchizzle
02-02-2013, 02:52 PM
I have not tried the 2 side by side on the same model, but as others have stated - more goes into an overall sound difference than just the bridge. My 2 piece stripped 58 sounds VERY similar to my bud's Les Paul. That is the premise of the design. My other 4 PRS have the 1 piece(a couple have the adjustable version of that). I like the looks and feel of both designs just fine. I really don't believe you can measure exact sonic difference here because no wood is exactly the same. You can have a generalization, but those can always be broken. My advice is to go with your gut on which style is more suited to you by it's design. They both sound good and function well and unless you have both side by side, the difference will be negligible. Play both if you have the opportunity and buy one that speaks to you.

PRSHB2
02-02-2013, 02:59 PM
I can say this much, I used to own both an Experience 57/08 (SC-245 with 1 piece bridge) along with a SC-58. There was no comparison, traded off the Exp model. That is NOT to say that all of the difference was due to 1 pc. vs. 2 pc. bridge. Keep in mind that the 57/08 pickups themselves have changed over time. You simply won't know until you can try them out. So the horrible result is to get one of each. ;-)

JMintzer
02-02-2013, 03:23 PM
I thought it very odd looking and uncomfortable to play...

Until I played one. I was wrong...


Jamie

jcha008
02-02-2013, 04:03 PM
I've actually found just the opposite to be true but I realize there are a lot of other factors going on there with the tone than just the bridge. My SC58 Artist with the ebony board and 2 pc was always brighter/thinner sounding no matter what pickups I tried. I'm not sure how much of that was the ebony vs. the bridge but I've never had that issue with LP Customs or other ebony boarded guitars with similar bridges. The other SC58 I had didn't have the same issue, but when doing a straight up comparison to a Ted SC with the same pickups, the 2 pc was noticeably brighter. Maybe that's more "vintage" correct tone, but I guess I've gotten used to something a little more ballsy.


This is interesting as I've found the opposite. Both guitars that's I've had with the wraparound always sounded thinner and brighter. While my current sc58 sounds thicker and woodier to me. But every guitar and player is different.

I love everything about the 2 piece. I think it looks elegant and well designed. Growing up with TOM equipped guitars the 2 piece is like home to me. I also think it sounds and feels better than any TOM I've played yet. Of course this is IMO.

PRSHB2
02-02-2013, 06:29 PM
I thought it very odd looking and uncomfortable to play...

Until I played one. I was wrong...
I had forgotten, I remember thinking the same thing. The whole "That looks weird." thinking. I was also wrong.

Mikegarveyblues
02-02-2013, 06:52 PM
As far as I know it's exactly the same 2-piece bridge that is on the SC-58 and the JA-15. I own both and find the bridge to be extremely comfortable. I note no decrease in tuning stability or sustain. Don't hesitate to give one a try.

http://jeffblack.smugmug.com/photos/i-JH25Kgw/0/XL/i-JH25Kgw-XL.jpg

I really like the look of this bridge. Would love to see an SE version!

FJ4
02-03-2013, 12:42 PM
Anymore on this?

ChrisCst22
02-03-2013, 04:04 PM
I'll chime in with my opinion. I like the one piece wraparound far better visually. Sonically I cannot speak on it because I haven't tried. I'm sure they sound great. It's PRS. They won over my confidence years ago.

I won't slam the 2 piece design. But I doubt I'll ever own one. It would be a deal breaker on any guitar I'm considering.

LSchefman
02-03-2013, 05:08 PM
My SC58 Artist with the ebony board and 2 pc was always brighter/thinner sounding no matter what pickups I tried. I'm not sure how much of that was the ebony vs. the bridge but I've never had that issue with LP Customs or other ebony boarded guitars with similar bridges.

Having had the Stripper and the SC58 AP with ebony board, there's no question in my mind that the ebony makes a big difference, but then so does the guitar; my SC AP has tons of oomph!

LP Customs I played were all-mahogany guitars, inherently darker and thicker than maple tops. I don't know enough about Gibson any more to know if that's still the case, but they were once all 'hog bodies. So that might play into some of the differences you've observed.

cwhenke
02-03-2013, 07:53 PM
I wasreluctant to make the switch because I thought The old bridge was great, and I thought the new one was somewhat of a stolen idea (not like Gibson is the only one using that set up). However, I found the new, two-piece was much more comfortable and felt like the action was lower, even though it was not. I don't have the ears to notice a difference in tone between the two.

FJ4
02-04-2013, 03:04 AM
The other SC58 I had didn't have the same issue, but when doing a straight up comparison to a Ted SC with the same pickups, the 2 pc was noticeably brighter. Maybe that's more "vintage" correct tone, but I guess I've gotten used to something a little more ballsy.

Could this be just the difference between those two specific guitars or the difference between the 2 sets of pickups?

yankeebulldog
02-05-2013, 11:30 AM
Could this be just the difference between those two specific guitars or the difference between the 2 sets of pickups?

Possibly, although I tried with 2 sets of 53/10s, and several other types and brands of pickups that are supposed to be better suited for brighter guitars. I'm still thinking it's a combination of the ebony and the 2 pc. I'll be avoiding both until I hear a guitar first hand that proves my ears wrong.

Boze
02-05-2013, 11:59 AM
I'm probably gonna try both this weekend just to put some "X"s in my checklist. I'm curious to see what some are calling "brightness" maybe a certain "clarity" instead.

LSchefman
02-05-2013, 12:41 PM
I think there's a certain symmetry in PRS improving on Paul's friend Ted McCarty's design (just my opinion, it certainly makes string changes simple).

For anyone with doubts about the tone differences (advantages to my way of thinking), take a listen to Chris Reynolds' Stripped 58 in a video he's posted recently reviewing a different Marshall style amp over on Vintage Rocker. He's CRGTR there, too:

http://www.vintagerocker.com/forum/showthread.html?19267-CR-s-Demo-of-the-British-Audio-JTM45-AMAZING%21%21

Then play your older style Singlecut and see if you can get the same tone with it. There are audible differences. Not saying you won't prefer the wrap, that's a matter of taste. But it does create a somewhat different tone.