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38Roars
02-12-2013, 03:23 PM
With the introduction of the 2 new Neal Schon models in the 2013 Lineup...
Whats your take on the Floyd Rose? Curious how the community views this.....

sergiodeblanc
02-12-2013, 03:45 PM
Punch me in the face is how I feel about Floyds.

38Roars
02-12-2013, 03:50 PM
Punch me in the face is how I feel about Floyds.

Ouch!!!

sergiodeblanc
02-12-2013, 03:52 PM
Ouch!!!

I know, I have got to learn how to form an opinion. :girl:

PRSHB2
02-12-2013, 03:54 PM
No use whatsoever - for me. I never play the types of music that would even utilize one.

themike
02-12-2013, 04:00 PM
I think the Floyd should be an artist package option - it's not popular, but there are people who DO want it.

veinbuster
02-12-2013, 04:43 PM
I'll stick with a Floyd on my tele but don't have any interest in one on a PRS.

swede71
02-12-2013, 05:08 PM
Are Floyds viewed as Heavy Metal tremolos?I dont know anything about them,have never owned a guitar with a Floyd but i think they are pretty cool.Seems to work good.Im a bit hesitant about that small brassblock though.

justmund
02-12-2013, 05:24 PM
Im a bit hesitant about that small brassblock though.
Have no fear!

http://www.fu-tone.com/catalog/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=66&zenid=th4ah9a89jn3u1h6n8293agal5

swede71
02-12-2013, 05:37 PM
Ugh!You know me and brassblocks Justmund :).Perhaps Titanium will do.

]-[ @ n $ 0 |v| a T !
02-12-2013, 05:55 PM
Seems like the Floyd in my 305 shook the wood less than the PRS bridge but I wonder how much that matters when I've "turned it up to 11". Either way, the PRS trem is less hassle by a long shot and serves me needs perfectly. I only did the Floyd because I wanted a PRS SuperStrat.

Sage
02-12-2013, 06:20 PM
I hate the locking nut - impossible to adjust tuning on the fly - and therefore despise the Floyd. The prs trem with locking tuners has always seemed more elegant to me.

justmund
02-12-2013, 06:26 PM
-[ @ n $ 0 |v| a T ! ;49801']the PRS trem is less hassle by a long shot and serves me needs perfectly.
I'm hearing you, string changes on a PRS trem are very quick. I used to break strings a fair bit when I was using DRs and the band members would always freak out about how quickly I could get a new string on, stretched, tuned and ready to go.

I don't go crazy on the trem either, a wiggle here and there and the occasional divebomb when I want to be silly, so same as Hans, the PRS trem suits my needs to a T.

Aesthetically I dislike Floyds too, I think they upset the visual balance of a guitar.

yankeebulldog
02-12-2013, 06:29 PM
It would surprise me if it stays in the lineup past this year.

WEDGE
02-12-2013, 06:54 PM
I hate the locking nut - impossible to adjust tuning on the fly - and therefore despise the Floyd. The prs trem with locking tuners has always seemed more elegant to me.

I love Floyd's and once used to them it is so much easier to quick tune with the individual wheels behind the bridge than reach up and grab the headstock tuners. Super intuitive after a short while. And NOTHING stays in tune like a well adjusted Floyd.

_pete_
02-12-2013, 07:53 PM
Love the Floyd.
The PRS trem is really, really good but Floyds are just bulletproof.
Honestly, a Floyd is much easier to setup and maintain.

Eventually, I'll put a Graph Tech piezo Floyd on my CE24. It's only a matter of time.

aduayer
02-12-2013, 08:15 PM
For the things I do with a trem bridge the Wilkinson VS100 or original PRS are more then enough for me. Floyd Rose, on my opinion, are the best in the business, but to me, they are a pain when you have a broken string and/or you have to replace strings too.
I agree with Mike, they should be an option for artist package. Those NS models could come stock with PRS term, that would be interesting.

dbonanno
02-12-2013, 08:25 PM
Love Floyd Rose trems but not on a PRS.
I'm also confused with the combination of the locking nut AND locking tuners. :confused:
Sorta like wearing a belt with suspenders. :biggrin:

Tampabaynsx-r
02-12-2013, 10:19 PM
I had a Suhr Modern Limited with a Gotoh Floyd bridge and it was amazingly stable. I found it did a great job for adding that subtle vibrato and if you wanted to bury the bar to the fretboard you could do that and she'd come right back in perfect tune. I miss that guitar.

Gnal
02-12-2013, 11:52 PM
Floyds are quite stable, and they look the part on some guitars. One of my friends loves them... however for me, sergio said it best.


Punch me in the face is how I feel about Floyds.

I have to agree with this wholeheartedly! I've sold guitars specifically because they have Floyds, and the few I have left I'm mostly keeping because it would cause marital strife if I actually sold them.

EDIT:
I honestly think that people either love or hate them, I can setup a fixed bridge guitar pretty fast and string changes are can be relaxing and enjoyable. Every time I mess with a Floyd... well, lets just say I'd almost rather pay someone else to do the string changes for me :(.

markie
02-13-2013, 09:15 AM
FR = PIA


IMHO

QueenCityGuitars
02-13-2013, 09:32 AM
Whats your take on the Floyd Rose?

I would love to have a player PRS equipped with a Floyd Rose. If you play music that gives the tremolo a workout, the Floyd is a must. They stay in tune; period. I have gotten used to stringing a Floyd because all of my guitars in the '80s had them. If you're not used to doing that, it's a PITA...like stringing Phase I locking tuners. :biggrin: But once you're used to it, they're simple. If you only have one guitar, and you love to change string gauges or experiment with tunings, then a Floyd will be more work than good. I will say adjusting the intonation on a guitar with a Floyd is a royal PITA but once they're set up, and you don't change tunings or string gauge, they're wonderful. It just depends on your application.

juka
04-14-2013, 06:59 AM
I played FR equipped guitars for nearly 20 years and sometimes I still miss them. Being used to heavy trem (ab)use I have mixed feelings about the PRS trem, on my Tremonti it works like a charm and comes quite close, but I had to sell two other trem equipped PRS because they didn't stay in tune under heavy use.

So yes, I really would like to see more FR equipped PRS.

jfb
04-14-2013, 08:43 AM
I can't tolerate them.

LSchefman
04-14-2013, 09:54 AM
I had a Jackson with a Floyd in the 80s, and while it did stay in tune very well, string changes were too much of a pain for me. Great bridge if you have a guitar tech on tour with you to do all that, I suppose...

My particular guitar didn't sound very good, either, but I have no idea if that was related to the bridge.

gush
04-14-2013, 10:47 AM
In the 80s I wouldnt own a guitar without a floyd. They work, plain and simple. Got to dreading string changes as I cant go more than 2 gigs on a set of strings so I made the move to fixed bridges. Thought that would help me explore different ways of playing.

The last couple of years I found myself wanting a trem again but didnt really want to go back to the floyd routine. I decided to take a look at the prs trem and thought i would try one. I had been wanting a cu24 with 5909s for a while and i found a used 2011 that was stunning.

The trem works pretty well and I enjoy the cu24. Good purchase

I wonder what a floyd with locking tuners would do sans locking nut?

Jazzedout
04-14-2013, 03:08 PM
I really like how Floyds work. I've had several in the late 80's but always came back to the original Ibanez Edge trem.
Like others said, if your guitar has a standard tuning and string gauge, changing strings isn't that hard.
the way I do them for the last 10 years, or so, is by stringing the ball end through the tuner hole like this:

http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg191/Jazzedout/Ibanez%20440R-HHBK/DSC_2705.jpg (http://s248.photobucket.com/user/Jazzedout/media/Ibanez%20440R-HHBK/DSC_2705.jpg.html)

and then cutting the string where it goes to the bridge. It works and stays in tune really good even if you don't tighten the locking nut.

I don't generally do dive boms and things like this anymore, but I do like how the trem flutters. can't do it with any other trem...

RedGuitars
04-14-2013, 05:39 PM
Friends don't let friends Floyd Rose.

leeasam
04-14-2013, 05:54 PM
I have seen Orianthi with a Floyd equiped PRS.

Shawn@PRS
04-14-2013, 06:04 PM
The PTC has done several FR conversions, including a few for Ori

themike
04-14-2013, 07:16 PM
The PTC has done several FR conversions, including a few for Ori

I'd play a FR if it came with a guitar tech for string changes! haha

VHTStark
04-14-2013, 07:50 PM
I had a Jackson with a Floyd in the 80s, and while it did stay in tune very well, string changes were too much of a pain for me. Great bridge if you have a guitar tech on tour with you to do all that, I suppose...

My particular guitar didn't sound very good, either, but I have no idea if that was related to the bridge.

Exactly. They do what they do very well but they are such a pain to do string changes on. Like you said: if you have a tech, no big deal.....but I certainly don't! For the type of vibrato I would do, a PRS trem is more than adequate. As for the Schon model: I think both the NS14 and NS15 are really awesome and well thought out semi-hollow's. I think the Floyd on there will deter people from giving it a chance as most dudes who want a Floyded up guitar will just get a Jackson or ESP. The typical customer who would be interested in a semi-hollow like the two NS guitars probably doesn't want a Floyd on there. I would love to see this model with either the 2pc bridge or the wrap around stoptail.

LSchefman
04-14-2013, 08:54 PM
Exactly. They do what they do very well but they are such a pain to do string changes on. Like you said: if you have a tech, no big deal.....but I certainly don't! For the type of vibrato I would do, a PRS trem is more than adequate. As for the Schon model: I think both the NS14 and NS15 are really awesome and well thought out semi-hollow's. I think the Floyd on there will deter people from giving it a chance as most dudes who want a Floyded up guitar will just get a Jackson or ESP. The typical customer who would be interested in a semi-hollow like the two NS guitars probably doesn't want a Floyd on there. I would love to see this model with either the 2pc bridge or the wrap around stoptail.

I would love one with the 2 pc.

I have no idea if the NS models will be big sellers for PRS or not -- I hope they do really well! But in any case, I'd sure love to see a non-Floyd option.

Shredhed
04-15-2013, 01:20 AM
Ah, the Floyd debate.

This is just my preference, but I use a block so it dives only. That way you can break a string and still be in tune.
a Floyd on a PRS.? Well it depends on what you want to do with it. The PRS trem doesn't dive as far. So if you want to dive bomb ala EVH you need a Floyd.

But then again I have guitars for that. Lol. All in all I really don't need a Floyd on my PRS I suppose

Norseman
04-15-2013, 07:31 AM
I used to hate FR's, but then I watched some YouTube videos of Dimebag Darryl showing people how he does his dives and squeals, and I started messing around learning how to do them on an Ibanez I had that had a FR. Then a guy I was in a band with had an FR and he would see me fine tuning after a song or two on my Gibson and he goes, "If you had a FR you wouldn't need to fine tune at all." Turns out that's not 100% truthful, BUT ...after getting a guitar with a real Floyd Rose - not some licensed FR crap, I can tell you it stays in tune way better than any of my fixed bridges. If you aren't that hard on your strings ...no crazy bending or picking really hard, I guess you wouldn't see a benefit. But if you are a shredder and like to do some squeals and dive bombs, you can't NOT have a Floyd Rose trem.

I HATED doing string changes, but now I have a pattern down and it takes me about 10 minutes longer (if that) to change strings on an FR. And I will open the locked nut before a gig and really fine tune and make sure every string is in perfect pitch, lock it down, and I'm good the entire gig. I might just fine tune a few times with the bridge adjusters, but that's it. I bought a SE Custom 24 because I wanted to try something new, and I can say the PRS trem on this is nowhere near the same ball park as the FR on my Schecter and my ESP. It's good for a little vibrato but that's it. I don't know if they put something different on the American made PRS models?

So my take is that if you don't really ride a trem, and you're kind of a mellow picker ...maybe like jazz or more classic kind of musics then you aren't missing anything without an FR. But if your style is playing hard and really riding a trem, you've got to have an FR.