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docbennett
02-14-2013, 07:32 AM
When the cops surround your house with about 5 patrol cars, and then start knocking on the door at 4:45 AM, it's usually to arrest the homeowner. I've learned over the years (in my forensic day job) that this early hour is the best time to grab the disoriented perp. And that's exactly what we were awakened to this morning.

The good news....So....at least they weren't there to arrest me.

The bad news.....apparently some local thieves have a "hi-end car ring" that have been stealing cars in the neighborhood. The cops had responded to a nearby car alarm when they actually saw some suspicious people milling around our two cars in the driveway....they attempted to detain them, but they got away. However, the cars had been broken into....some non-valuable items were taken (goodbye to Ginger's two pairs of sneakers....5 lb. dumbbells, and her entire "Jazzercize" travel bag"). So..we had a perimeter violation, and the cars had to be investigated for any clues...first by the local Montville police...later by the Morris County detectives.

Oh...some related good news....I didn't have to go to work today. I was told that the cars needed to be left in the driveway for investigative purposes. Called in, and was told that "emergency annual leave" is the proper type of category for my missed day at the Veteran's Administration Hospital.

Hey...I've been delaying for YEARS going to the local police department to drop off my completed firearms permit. I'm fully trained in the use and safe keeping of handguns....and I go to the range semi-regularly with my friends...but I've never owned a firearm. that will change. Hopefully, it will never be used. But...it will feel more secure knowing we have a locked firearm in the house available, if absolutely necessary. I'll pass on the assault rifle with more than 10 rounds in the clip....I'll decide on the proper caliber handgun that will be kept locked and secure and will hopefully only be used on the target range. However, this leaves a bad taste in your mouth, knowing your privacy and potential safety have been compromised.

So...I'll be home today interrogating my Airedale and trying to find out why he alerted us as soon as the police cars drove up.....but didn't say a word while the perps were screwing around with our cars in the driveway. http://www.vintagerocker.com/forum/images/smilies/confused.gif Selective vigilance.

KazJY
02-14-2013, 07:44 AM
This is crazy! Glad you and your family are ok, and just a few things were taken (as opposed to a whole house full of stuff and/or keepsakes).

I've had my house broken into twice (robbed the first time + busted their progress the 2nd time, when all my guitars were ready to go out the front door) when I was still on the south side of Chicago. I absolutely despise thieves.

Enjoy your day off though! :-)

Albrecht Smuten
02-14-2013, 07:55 AM
At this point I want to state I'm so glad I HAVE NOTHING VALUABLE AT MY HOME. Every piece of gear is in studio. No cash whatsoever. I sleep on the floor, listening to old school china made radio. :violin:

Glad you're ok, Doc, get the gun, however I would make it a little more accesible - in case things go fast...

jfb
02-14-2013, 08:14 AM
Doc, glad everyone is safe and that the items stolen are easily replaced. Try and enjoy the day off. Take care my man.

Dirty Bob
02-14-2013, 11:05 AM
Doc...that sucks...glad you folks are ok!

themike
02-14-2013, 11:20 AM
Federally speaking, we don't knock and depending on the violation, we usually hit at 6am ;)

Glad to hear they stopped the suspects though, I can't imagine having a car stolen!

Shawn@PRS
02-14-2013, 11:22 AM
Sorry to hear this Bennett. I'm glad you and you're family are alright.

]-[ @ n $ 0 |v| a T !
02-14-2013, 11:40 AM
Bummer. Sorry to hear it, Ned. Too bad you didn't catch 'em.

markie
02-14-2013, 11:51 AM
I once came home late to a thief inside my home. He broke through my front window to escape. I caught the little bastid & held him down for 20 minutes, while the police came. He had stolen about 100 albums & 20 bottles of liquor from my bar. Johnny Law took all that for evidence. The court found the dude guilty, gave him probation, & ordered him to pay restitution. Yup, never got any restitution. Never got any of the liquor back. Did get the albums back.





















Moral of the story: Really............................... what a fine system :rolleyes:

]-[ @ n $ 0 |v| a T !
02-14-2013, 12:03 PM
If memory serves, Phenny came pretty close to goin' all "Joe Horn" on a guy robbing one of his neighbors.

LSchefman
02-14-2013, 12:18 PM
I had a 3 day old Corvette stolen back in the 70s. I was pissed, but honestly, there are worse things than having a car stolen.

Glad you're safe.

sergiodeblanc
02-14-2013, 12:42 PM
Glad you and Ginger are safe, that's all that matters.

rugerpc
02-14-2013, 12:55 PM
Hey...I've been delaying for YEARS going to the local police department to drop off my completed firearms permit. I'm fully trained in the use and safe keeping of handguns....and I go to the range semi-regularly with my friends...but I've never owned a firearm. that will change. Hopefully, it will never be used. But...it will feel more secure knowing we have a locked firearm in the house available, if absolutely necessary. I'll pass on the assault rifle with more than 10 rounds in the clip....I'll decide on the proper caliber handgun that will be kept locked and secure and will hopefully only be used on the target range. However, this leaves a bad taste in your mouth, knowing your privacy and potential safety have been compromised.

It is good that everyone is physically safe.

Psychologically, I understand what is going on as well. I have been involved with advanced firearm use for both sport and personal protection for a long time. I took Masaad Ayoob's "Lethal Force Institute class back when I got serious about self protection. I run competitive shooting competitions that have practical self defense aspects.

Weekend sport shooting does not translate to real self-defense training. Take a course. Then take another. Get really serious about it and take the Ayoob or similar immersion course.

Participate at least monthly in IDPA or IPSC matches. There is NO substitute for the pressure of shooting a stage. When the feces impact the rotational air distribution device, the familiarity of the stress produced by competing will be less of a hindrance and mind number. You will already have had to choose between shoot (bad guy) and no-shoot (good guy) targets on the fly. You will already have had to reload under pressure or clear a jam. You simply cannot duplicate the scenario pressures by shooting with friends informally.

Rango
02-14-2013, 02:09 PM
Glad you are OKAY. :-)

Get training - use it.

The matches that Rugerpc mentions are fun - IDPA, IPSC( USPSA here in the States ) Think of it as "taking lessons" then "playing a gig"... I don't know about you but I learn a bunch whenever I get the opportunity to play out. ;-)

Whatever you buy - get a safe and bolt it down - keep the bad guys from carting it off ;)

Goldtop
02-14-2013, 02:16 PM
I'm glad nobody was hurt. I'm with you on the handgun and training idea. Things could have gone much differently, as the (bad) news illustrates every day.

Lloyd

frankb56
02-14-2013, 02:18 PM
I'm in the Law Enforcement and sounds like a typical work day for police officers.....too bad they didn't get them.

docbennett
02-14-2013, 04:10 PM
Just an FYI, and thanks to all of you.....IMO handguns are a last resort, and are best kept locked in a safe place with a trigger guard, with key to trigger guard safely placed next to the panic button on the silent alarm that we do have next to the bed. I'm really not a self defense fanatic, and I agree with everything posted. A gun should be used for self defense as a total last resort, IMO. Range shooting is fun. Self defense is something you need to learn and hope never to have to use.

gush
02-14-2013, 06:01 PM
Rugerpc is right on the money. Im a biker, I have two machines one being a near mint kaw zx-9. I have been to Jason Pridmore star school racing because reacting properly to an emergency situation doesnt happen riding public roads. Advanced courses teach you how to react when you find yourself in a panic situation. I cant see where self defense emergencies would be different from traffic emergencies, you have to know how to react when its your time. It will help you live longer.

rugerpc
02-14-2013, 06:15 PM
Rugerpc is right on the money. Im a biker, I have two machines one being a near mint kaw zx-9. I have been to Jason Pridmore star school racing because reacting properly to an emergency situation doesnt happen riding public roads. Advanced courses teach you how to react when you find yourself in a panic situation. I cant see where self defense emergencies would be different from traffic emergencies, you have to know how to react when its your time. It will help you live longer.

Amen, brother.

JustRob
02-14-2013, 06:49 PM
Glad you all are ok.
Guns are a hot commodity right now. MD has a 7-10 day waiting period while they do a background check. They're currently so backed up that tomorrow will be week 4 of my wait.
Good luck and be safe.

clcwarlock
02-15-2013, 02:45 PM
Sorry to hear this Doc, I had a similar experience in my neighborhood a couple years ago, no cops showing up but a break in to my car. Its sucks and it proves that it can happen in any neighborhood. Glad it wasnt worse.

docbennett
02-15-2013, 03:12 PM
Sorry to hear this Doc, I had a similar experience in my neighborhood a couple years ago, no cops showing up but a break in to my car. Its sucks and it proves that it can happen in any neighborhood. Glad it wasnt worse.

Oh...I've had it happen before. I remember the night my wife and I dined out at a restaurant in Hoboken....Literally right around the corner from the local police precinct. Came back to find the rear passenger window smashed to smithereens and the interior ransacked. I believe that they had seen my "bag phone" (remember cell phones from the late '80's?) and decided to smash into the car to get it and whatever else they could find.

Anyway, that's disconcerting...but not nearly as bad as having the flashing lights lighting up the dark cul de sac....2 patrolman at the door.....2 walking on the driveway. And I'm going downstairs, disheveled, confused....realizing that it's only 4:45 AM and I should have had another 75 minutes before I have to get up for work......and thinking, "why is th3mike outside coming to arrest me? What have I done wrong this time"?? :dontknow:

Anyway...that's what really got to me....having los agents de la policia at my doorstep before 5 AM in the morning. Of course, now that th3mike has posted above, I'll be more concerned if I see police outside at 6AM when I usually walk the dog. :p

Rosewoodsteel
02-17-2013, 09:01 AM
Good luck on finding that handgun, Doc. I want a 9mm Glock or a S&W M&P 9mm and cannot find one. They are all sold out. At our local Bass Pro shop, the salesman told me that the manufacturers are so far behind, they weren't even taking orders. Glock is a year behind in manufacturering.

edit: Nope. Shawn

JMintzer
02-17-2013, 01:14 PM
Good luck on finding that handgun, Doc. I want a 9mm Glock or a S&W M&P 9mm and cannot find one. They are all sold out. At our local Bass Pro shop, the salesman told me that the manufacturers are so far behind, they weren't even taking orders. Glock is a year behind in manufacturering.

edit: Nope. Shawn

My local shop sold 70 (yes, that's right SEVENTY) "as new" security company trade in (most had never been fired) Glock 19s (9mm) in ONE DAY!

And yes, I'm waiting for the paperwork to clear on mine...


Jamie

]-[ @ n $ 0 |v| a T !
02-17-2013, 01:20 PM
I've been trying to find a reasonable deal on a Bill Wilson Carry without any luck.

A Glock 30 would be good but a little to blocky (for my preference) for daily carry. Still need to check out the Glock 38.

JMintzer
02-17-2013, 01:23 PM
-[ @ n $ 0 |v| a T ! ;51217']I've been trying to find a reasonable deal on a Bill Wilson Carry without any luck.

A Glock 30 would be good but a little to blocky (for my preference) for daily carry. Still need to check out the Glock 38.

If you're looking at Glocks, look at the 23. It's the smaller .40 cal, but not the really small frame...


Jamie

LSchefman
02-17-2013, 01:36 PM
One of my police officer friends in Detroit told me that unless you have regular military/police training, you're more likely to be killed if you pull a handgun out than if you don't.

You're also more likely to be charged with a crime resulting from mistake, erroneous fear, bravado, etc. Early in my legal career (late 70s) I defended cops who were charged with various crimes, after pulling out their handguns in "iffy" circumstances. These guys were trained professionals, and still made some very questionable calls.

One guy actually killed his own son by mistake.

I'm not against guns, but please be careful, guys!

sergiodeblanc
02-17-2013, 02:13 PM
My home defense strategy is sooo third world. I have a machete!! I haven't tried opening a coconut with a Glock yet, but maybe someday.

rugerpc
02-17-2013, 04:05 PM
One of my police officer friends in Detroit told me that unless you have regular military/police training, you're more likely to be killed if you pull a handgun out than if you don't.

The statistics simply do not support this. In fact, if you look at the data, it exactly the opposite. I highly recommend anyone to read economist John Lott's book More Guns, Less Crime.


You're also more likely to be charged with a crime resulting from mistake, erroneous fear, bravado, etc. Early in my legal career (late 70s) I defended cops who were charged with various crimes, after pulling out their handguns in "iffy" circumstances. These guys were trained professionals, and still made some very questionable calls.

One guy actually killed his own son by mistake.

I'm not against guns, but please be careful, guys!

I cannot effectively debate you here, Les, because the real debate is obscured by politics, and we don't discuss that here.

I do, however, agree that there is need for vastly more training.

The following is not directed specifically at Les, but to everyone in the discussion....

There is something wrong with the American male. (this may apply overseas, but I cannot witness to it.) I have seen it time and time again, males of our species believe it is in our DNA to be proficient in all kinds of skill endeavors with driving and shooting at the top of the list. "Don't tell me how to do it - I'm a MAN. It's in my DNA!"

I can tell you on both counts that it is NOT.

Wanna test yourself? Take a few hot laps at Watkins Glen. If you survive, try competing in an IPSC match with your brand new 9mm. If you don't get Disqualified (DQed) for safety violations, look for your score at the very bottom of the list. Even if you practice informally. Even if you are an annually certified Policeman. Even if you are a Police armorer. Even if you are a certified Police marksman. Even if you are fresh out of the Armed Forces . Even if you are still in.

The civilians I shoot with wax all of the above 'trained' shooters regularly and with authority. We have Maryland and DC Police and MD SWAT guys who shoot with us because it supplements their training in no way the Police ranges can afford to do.

It is a serious mistake for anyone to go out and buy a gun for self protection if they are not serious about real training and regular, stressed practice.

It's not in your DNA. The only thing in your DNA is your DNA.

LSchefman
02-17-2013, 04:16 PM
The statistics simply do not support this. In fact, if you look at the data, it exactly the opposite. I highly recommend anyone to read economist John Lott's book More Guns, Less Crime. [/SOAPBOX]

This is good to know. As I said, I'm not against guns. I'm for people having the right training. I'm also for people not losing their cool and pulling out a gun when they shouldn't.

The courts are full of folks who got angry, and brandished a weapon, only to be charged with assaults, etc.

I think it's good to be extra-careful.

I can shoot skeet well, but a handgun is a different responsibility altogether.

rugerpc
02-17-2013, 04:21 PM
You are a true gentleman, Les.

LSchefman
02-17-2013, 04:27 PM
You are a true gentleman, Les.

My wife says I need to put the toilet seat down more regularly in order to qualify for that accolade. ;)

Rango
02-17-2013, 05:39 PM
Love Glocks - but i'll never "pull" one for self protection ...
S&W Air Weight in in your jacket pocket can be ready address the problem- if needed - and never seen. ;) Oh you may need a new jacket....but you'll never have to explain pulling a gun you didn't use. ;)

Concealed carry should be just that unless it's going to go BANG. ;)

Rosewoodsteel
02-17-2013, 10:00 PM
-Sorry Shawn.
My intention was not to tread in the political arena, just to state the facts. Sorry if I blurred the line.

John

MOBirds
02-18-2013, 09:47 AM
Another, hopefully rare exception, benefit of a handgun. If you're robbed and call the police, only to hear "we're in the middle of a shift change, we can have someone there a few hours" can be a bit frustrating. Informing them that your Glock 9mm was among the stolen items gets a completely different response - "someone will be RIGHT over!". I hung up phone and went into bathroom to brush my teeth, had not yet spit out the first pass... and there was a knock at the door.