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rugerpc
02-19-2013, 12:34 PM
More and more, I'm seeing internet content being posted as a link to Facebook instead on being a regular stand-alone web page.

I don't begrudge Facebook its popularity, but I do protest that I should not have to subject myself to their almost nonexistent privacy policy.

Businesses and individuals who require me to log into Facebook to see their internet content will simply not have my business or attention.

How about you?

Steph
02-19-2013, 12:45 PM
More and more, I'm seeing internet content being posted as a link to Facebook instead on being a regular stand-alone web page.

I don't begrudge Facebook its popularity, but I do protest that I should not have to subject myself to their almost nonexistent privacy policy.

Businesses and individuals who require me to log into Facebook to see their internet content will simply not have my business or attention.

How about you?

Same here... Any forced subscription is immediately discarded. Faceb or whatever...

Rango
02-19-2013, 01:00 PM
I never link or login with Facebook.

Just exposes too much - I have TWO jobs that I'd like to keep and all I need is to tick off somebody on the internet and have them use the data on Facebook to try too harm me....

And before you "poo poo" that, it's already been attempted. I'm much more careful these days about what I say in "public" and who I let know "me".

frankb56
02-19-2013, 01:14 PM
I do it because it's the only way I can find out what my son is up to. Otherwise, I don't see the point in it either except for possibly self glorification and aggrandizement...which I kind of dig:biggrin::biggrin:

justmund
02-19-2013, 01:51 PM
I have no issues with facebook, admittedly the default security settings leave a lot to be desired but once you take control of these you have a decent amount of power to restrict your personal information.

Facebook is a tool and you need to learn how to use it appropriately. It's like using a 9" grinder for the first time, do it wrong and it's gonna end in tears...

Mikegarveyblues
02-19-2013, 03:36 PM
Dunno...

I have mixed feelings about F'book, Twitter and the rest. As mentioned above, these things can be viewed as a tool. I have a personal F'book page that I log into once a week or so and a public page to promote my music. Same with twitter.

Just can't get into them though. There's people who spend hours of each day on there.. People who communicate with their wives, husbands, grlfriends, boyfriends, etc, when they're in the same house!!!

I also find it a little frighning just how much info people put on there. These things aren't as 'private' as people like to think and your personal info is worth a lot of cash to the right people.

LSchefman
02-19-2013, 05:33 PM
I don't use Facebook or Twitter personally. The publishing company that I'm affiliated with has an ad agency handling their social media content that will be up soon, and they're going to be in charge of all that.

Desperado
02-19-2013, 05:49 PM
I have a Facebook account but treat it like a news feed page. So many companies use FB to engage with their audience, so if you want to keep up with things, it makes sense to have an account.

That said, I find it odd that people want to tell you their every move and seem to want to live their life via Facebook. Strange behaviour indeed.

I log in to my FB account daily, it's a great place to consolidate news that you actually want to read about. It certainly has its place.

]-[ @ n $ 0 |v| a T !
02-19-2013, 05:53 PM
No FB for me either. Tried it several times.

jfb
02-19-2013, 06:01 PM
No social media for me. I did like the FB movie though. Mainly cause that guy has the same name as me. I can't help it. Jesse is a great name. :biggrin:

Audie
02-19-2013, 06:05 PM
More and more, I'm seeing internet content being posted as a link to Facebook instead on being a regular stand-alone web page.

I don't begrudge Facebook its popularity, but I do protest that I should not have to subject myself to their almost nonexistent privacy policy.

Businesses and individuals who require me to log into Facebook to see their internet content will simply not have my business or attention.

How about you?

Right there with you RugerPC. I barely justify to myself having an email address. No socialist facism for me thank you. Cause that is where the internet is heading if the interent goes Facebook style!!! And no, I do not have/had a facebook account and never will. Seems a little to narcissitic to me.

sergiodeblanc
02-19-2013, 06:06 PM
I've got one, I will need it for work in the future... so friend me! I never post though.

themike
02-19-2013, 06:37 PM
-[ @ n $ 0 |v| a T ! ;51914']No FB for me either. Tried it several times.

:(

Serious Poo
02-19-2013, 07:51 PM
I avoid that stuff like the plague, way too many privacy issues. I know I'm missing out on some cool stuff, but the risks aren't worth it to me.

justmund
02-19-2013, 08:09 PM
Wow, everyone is hung up about the privacy issues, I've got my settings turned up so there's no problem. The only entity that could possibly grab my personal information (which I chose to share with my friends, or a selection of my friends) is facebook themselves. They already have my information, which I willingly put on their website, so what's the big deal?

I don't put my home address on there, my credit card details, my tax file number, my drivers licence number etc, it's just a collection of my photos, thoughts and interests. Hmm... kinda like on there, but hang on, ANYONE has access to this, not just my "friends." If there's a privacy issue, then it's not facebooks fault, it's the users for posting the information in the first place, and not controlling it properly.

What could someone possible do with the information I post on facebook? They can't steal my identity, pillage my bank accounts, kill my dog etc. Where's the risk?

Who here used Google products? Gmail? You do know once you're logged into gmail, anything you search on is recorded ("collected") in their database? I'm more worried about Google data collection than I am with facebook, but having said that, if you've got nothing to hide, you've got nothing to worry about.

Daniel
02-19-2013, 08:22 PM
More and more, I'm seeing internet content being posted as a link to Facebook instead on being a regular stand-alone web page.

I don't begrudge Facebook its popularity, but I do protest that I should not have to subject myself to their almost nonexistent privacy policy.

Businesses and individuals who require me to log into Facebook to see their internet content will simply not have my business or attention.

How about you?

Same here. I do have a FB account but I do not link it to anything or accept any of the FB apps they try to get you to accept. Accepting any of the apps on FB over-rides your privacy settings and gives that app/page all of your information.

Dirty Bob
02-19-2013, 09:03 PM
Wow, everyone is hung up about the privacy issues, I've got my settings turned up so there's no problem. The only entity that could possibly grab my personal information (which I chose to share with my friends, or a selection of my friends) is facebook themselves. They already have my information, which I willingly put on their website, so what's the big deal?

I don't put my home address on there, my credit card details, my tax file number, my drivers licence number etc, it's just a collection of my photos, thoughts and interests. Hmm... kinda like on there, but hang on, ANYONE has access to this, not just my "friends." If there's a privacy issue, then it's not facebooks fault, it's the users for posting the information in the first place, and not controlling it properly.

What could someone possible do with the information I post on facebook? They can't steal my identity, pillage my bank accounts, kill my dog etc. Where's the risk?

Who here used Google products? Gmail? You do know once you're logged into gmail, anything you search on is recorded ("collected") in their database? I'm more worried about Google data collection than I am with facebook, but having said that, if you've got nothing to hide, you've got nothing to worry about.


As one has a family, assets, business, etc...responsibilities come with these....one of those responsibilities is protecting and safeguarding them as much as possible...from those who may not have the same levels and ethical standards that I would hold myself to.....now I'm not talking bubble boy here or full body condom but I'm sure you catch my drift....I want to have greater control of my personal information than others might.


The big deal is that people don't fully grasp what they are allowing a company to access for nothing. Millions of people post amazingly intimate details of their lives every minute... They don't fully understand privacy issues....and I would venture they have no clue about more sophisticated phishing scams that exist.


I operate under a pseudonym here(Bob is in fact my real name...but there are a lot of Bob's out there!)...although I've shared some information there are only a handful of people who i have entrusted to know my real name, who I work for, more personal details etc...as far as FB is concerned I believe it's very different.

i do not have a personal account. down the line maybe I will end up with an account for business due to other business partners and their networks...but I am highly resistant....I have already voiced my displeasure with the idea.

Privacy is one of if not the most undervalued asset today. I do not intend to give it up for free...nor do I intend to turn over my information to a corporation who promises to keep it protected (unless it is required by law or is necessary from a business functionality standpoint). I also do not have a gmail account....and am always conscious of what I am googling....I mean think about what your cable company could have access to depending on how you spend your time online.

I personally believe people are not diligent and vigilant enough when it comes to protecting their personal information...it's a pet peeve of mine.

BTW ...networking is extremely important in my line of business...but not just with anyone....while I recognize the huge possibilities that exist....the risks right now are not worth being exposed to.

Just a side note...I also will add that a buddy of mine is one of the coaches for rugby at a major university...he said without a Facebook account he couldn't recruit....he also said many of his players couldn't pick up a girl in a bar these days if their lives depended upon it...so much of their existence is wrapped around, up and in social media...this struck me as rather odd...considering the "social" in social media...

rugerpc
02-19-2013, 09:30 PM
This isn't about whether or not I have anything to hide. It is about the choices we make and the manipulation of those choices by others for their vested interest instead of mine.

cosmic_ape
02-19-2013, 10:53 PM
Showing your age, guys

justmund
02-19-2013, 11:13 PM
As one has a family, assets, business, etc...responsibilities come with these....one of those responsibilities is protecting and safeguarding them as much as possible...from those who may not have the same levels and ethical standards that I would hold myself to.....

Privacy is one of if not the most undervalued asset today. I do not intend to give it up for free...
These are some interesting statements, and you're obviously an intelligent dude, but if you have intelligence then you have the power to control your privacy and risk. Holding everything as close to your chest as possible just gives you sore arms. I prefer to control and share my information, and reap the benefits of tools such as facebook. Want to organise a party or event? There is no more time efficient way of doing than to use facebook, none.

Which brings me to your point of value of privacy. If I've "sold" my privacy, then I've sold it for time. I can communicate and organise much faster than ever before, and the benefit? I have more time to do other stuff, like post on internet forums...

Desperado
02-20-2013, 01:57 AM
I think the privacy comments are valid, but you don't actually need to give out all your personal info to benefit from Facebook. The only personal info that it has of mine, is my name, which is a pretty common name anyway.

Albrecht Smuten
02-20-2013, 02:24 AM
I made my personal FB profile couple months ago so I could friend certain girl and see her photos :) (stuffed my profile with pictures of me playing on a big stage first, of course)...
I don't use it anymore, though I use my band profile, because it's so much easier to maintain and update (with pics and videos), than regular website (so you don't need an admin). And I'm always logged in, so I have no trouble browsing facebook, when I come across a link.

As for privacy - it's all about what you choose to share with the world. The relationship status for example (some people are just unbelievable - the whole world knew that my (now ex) wife's status "Was complicated" before I did).

sergiodeblanc
02-20-2013, 03:33 AM
the whole world knew that my (now ex) wife's status "Was complicated" before I did).

lame.

Dirty Bob
02-20-2013, 05:30 AM
Showing your age, guys


I'm younger than my comments may seem.

JustRob
02-20-2013, 05:32 AM
Facebook is responsible for turning my passing interest in PRS into a loyal customer.

Dirty Bob
02-20-2013, 05:47 AM
These are some interesting statements, and you're obviously an intelligent dude, but if you have intelligence then you have the power to control your privacy and risk. Holding everything as close to your chest as possible just gives you sore arms. I prefer to control and share my information, and reap the benefits of tools such as facebook. Want to organise a party or event? There is no more time efficient way of doing than to use facebook, none.

Which brings me to your point of value of privacy. If I've "sold" my privacy, then I've sold it for time. I can communicate and organise much faster than ever before, and the benefit? I have more time to do other stuff, like post on internet forums...

I respect your opinion...and understand where you are coming from.

ok...So I manage and take "risk" for a living in the financial world....I spend much of my time trying to protect people from "blowing" themselves up from a quantitative standpoint....while taking calculated "risks" to achieve certain goals and objectives....distributions of potential outcomes are much more than μ and σ. I understand the trade off of time....that's one of the reasons people come to us and pay us...We provide them that leverage. FB is extremely powerful. We recently hired a top tier consultant specializing in social media for our business. We looked at harnessing things like Facebook and twitter in the future (from a corporate compliance standpoint we aren't yet able to use it)...ultimately with my particular line of business and the way information flow is controlled I can't get comfortable enough even with some of the software overlays/portals available to record internal users activities(I want to control the information not the other way around)...but hopefully at some point I will be able to....only issue is their privacy policy isn't going in the right direction for my taste.

I will say there was also the matter of someone I consider a stalker on a personal basis with a family member of mine that may have influenced my opinion.

Albrecht Smuten
02-20-2013, 05:58 AM
lame.

What? Me not knowing it? :)

MOBirds
02-20-2013, 08:35 AM
I'm reading these comments about controlling your privacy and have to add the caveat that it's a bit of work when the Zuckster keeps rolling out "features" that they can monetize and you're always opt-in by default. I had an account for about a year while paying my younger sisters way through college. Helped me keep up on how/what she was doing. But every single time some new functionality came out that I had no interest in I had to scour the internet finding out how to opt-out of the latest thing. It was never easy, and although they started to make improvements there when I finally decided to pull the plug, it was still too much work for what little use I had for it. I think you can still "tag" people in photos/videos without any way for them to untag themselves. I know a woman who was tagged in a raunchy soft-corish video because she slightly resembled the woman in it. She is the music director for her church... so didn't go over well and it was quite a hassle to get herself disassociated from something she was no part of. That's the nasty stuff you can't control at all because you can't prevent others from linking you to things you a) don't want to be, or b) are in no way linked to.

rugerpc
02-20-2013, 08:44 AM
I think this discussion is important, but I ask responders to respect the positions and opinions of others here and resist the urge to label them. We all have our own motivations and our own safety zones.

veinbuster
02-20-2013, 10:34 AM
Without facebook, how would I know what Hank just got tattooed on his butt, or what Mary is having for dinner.

With a bit of thought about what you want to share, and with who, it serves a purpose. I travel quite a bit and find it a convenient way to avoid completely losing touch with people I'd like to maintain a relationship with.

BostonGuitar
02-20-2013, 10:39 AM
I have used FB to great effect for the last few years mainly as a music promotion tool, while also connecting and being witty and entertaining with many old friends, aquaintences and music fans which very much generates interest in my musical ventures. Much like I am an owner of my guitars, I own my FB. What I mean by that is that I NEVER put any family/kids pictures or information on FB, and I make sure I peruse the privacy/security options on a monthly basis to make sure I am ON TOP OF those settings which keeps me pretty well insulated.

Blackbird
02-20-2013, 11:00 AM
Wow, everyone is hung up about the privacy issues, I've got my settings turned up so there's no problem. The only entity that could possibly grab my personal information (which I chose to share with my friends, or a selection of my friends) is facebook themselves. They already have my information, which I willingly put on their website, so what's the big deal?

I don't put my home address on there, my credit card details, my tax file number, my drivers licence number etc, it's just a collection of my photos, thoughts and interests. Hmm... kinda like on there, but hang on, ANYONE has access to this, not just my "friends." If there's a privacy issue, then it's not facebooks fault, it's the users for posting the information in the first place, and not controlling it properly.

What could someone possible do with the information I post on facebook? They can't steal my identity, pillage my bank accounts, kill my dog etc. Where's the risk?

Who here used Google products? Gmail? You do know once you're logged into gmail, anything you search on is recorded ("collected") in their database? I'm more worried about Google data collection than I am with facebook, but having said that, if you've got nothing to hide, you've got nothing to worry about.

Completely agree with this post. For people worried about Facebook stealing your information or personal privacy issues, well, you have the ability to control what you share. The very least you have to share is an email address. And even then you can get a ghost yahoo or gmail account for that purpose. Then you can still surf facebook, watch videos, see posts from PRS, creep on women, etc...without rendering your personal information as vulnerable.

As Justin pointed out, there are entities that you come in contact with everyday that are monitoring, storing, and mining your information for trends and strategy. Your purchase history at WalMart for the last decade is stored in a database just miles from where I live. Google is maintaining your search logs and email history. Apple and your carrier can track and log your physical movements from location to location. The erosion of privacy is nothing new and facebook is the least of worries.

There are certainly people that have abundant faith in the internet and post way too much personal information on Facebook. But even for the cautious user it's a great tool to use that requires very little risk or committment.

sergiodeblanc
02-20-2013, 02:28 PM
What? Me not knowing it? :)

What I mean is that I think it's lame that some people use a very public forum to air their dirty laundry before talking to the involved parties first. That must have been a real kick in the face, and you are a fine gentleman that deserves better.

Dirty Bob
02-20-2013, 04:23 PM
What I mean is that I think it's lame that some people use a very public forum to air their dirty laundry before talking to the involved parties first. That must have been a real kick in the face, and you are a fine gentleman that deserves better.

well said.

Boogeyman
02-20-2013, 06:17 PM
[QUOTE=justmund;51954]Wow, everyone is hung up about the privacy issues, I've got my settings turned up so there's no problem. The only entity that could possibly grab my personal information (which I chose to share with my friends, or a selection of my friends) is facebook themselves. They already have my information, which I willingly put on their website, so what's the big deal?

I don't put my home address on there, my credit card details, my tax file number, my drivers licence number etc, it's just a collection of my photos, thoughts and interests. Hmm... kinda like on there, but hang on, ANYONE has access to this, not just my "friends." If there's a privacy issue, then it's not facebooks fault, it's the users for posting the information in the first place, and not controlling it properly.

What could someone possible do with the information I post on facebook? They can't steal my identity, pillage my bank accounts, kill my dog etc. Where's the risk?

Who here used Google products? Gmail? You do know once you're logged into gmail, anything you search on is recorded ("collected") in their database? I'm more worried about Google data collection than I am with facebook, but having said that, if you've got nothing to hide, you've got nothing to worry about.[/QUOTE



I agree 100%. I liked the PRS FB page and ended up linking to this forum somehow from FB...i dont remember exactly how, but I'm here haha. Its as safe as anything else out there on the net if you use it wisely.

Albrecht Smuten
02-21-2013, 03:07 AM
What I mean is that I think it's lame that some people use a very public forum to air their dirty laundry before talking to the involved parties first. That must have been a real kick in the face, and you are a fine gentleman that deserves better.

Thank you, Sergio, you're very kind.
(though it's yet to be seen whether I'm really that much of a fine gentleman, as I'm cooking some sort of artistic retaliation for quite a time now. Not that tasteless if I can say so myself, though)