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cembo
02-23-2013, 12:04 AM
Hi guys,
I just have bought my first PRS new Signature Limited 2012. Beautiful eriza verde color with tremolo and neck made of "sinker" mahogany. Sounding very good, however I have one question. I am owning US Tele Deluxe maple neck and Suhr 10th. Anniversary LE. After my first testing of this PRS I found out that sound is completely different than those two other guitars. It is not a problem of course, because I am sure I will get used to different sound, sooner or later develop the taste for delicate PRS tone color, but there is one thing which is bothering me. Regardless of differences between those three guitars, it is a very simple fact that when i play legato on Suhr it is almost as loud as string pick. In Tele case it is similar as well, but when i play legato on PRS it sounds muted and tones don't sound even. For me is more important how guitar sounds without being plugged into amp than chasing the tone by amp and pickups. I hope there is some reasonable explanation because I don't want to sell this beautiful guitar. All answers are appreciated :cheers:

]-[ @ n $ 0 |v| a T !
02-23-2013, 12:25 AM
Squirt?

sergiodeblanc
02-23-2013, 12:59 AM
-[ @ n $ 0 |v| a T ! ;53004']Squirt?

:girl:

justmund
02-23-2013, 01:28 AM
Hey mate, it sounds like your guitar is faulty.

Lucky that you're in Sydney, I'm in Tas and would be willing to take the wretched thing off your hands. I'll even pay shipping!

cembo
02-23-2013, 03:54 AM
-[ @ n $ 0 |v| a T ! ;53004']Squirt?

ʇɹınbS

cembo
02-23-2013, 04:03 AM
Thanks for offer man :) ... I forgot to mention that Suhr is chambered and PRS not ? Couldn't it be reason ? This guitar looks alright and sounds good just this hammering issue, I mean when Suhr resonates much better on legato than PRS. I have made two a few seconds long audio samples, if you would like to hear it I can upload it. This is my first PRS, never had any personal experience.

justmund
02-23-2013, 04:22 AM
Would certainly like to hear the clips mate. Are you saying it's just unplugged that there's a difference or is it plugged in too? Maybe the strings are old, or different gauge, the frets might be significantly different and it's a technique adjustment that needs to happen. Maybe the action is too low on the Sig Ltd (right is 1.6mm at the 12th fret) or maybe the neck relief needs setting.

Could be lots of things!

cembo
02-23-2013, 04:35 AM
Plugged sounds different than Suhr too. That's because different pickups and also this PRS has neck made of harder mahogany. Plugged sounds more bass/treble like rock unlike Suhr which is more in mids like wood. This PRS came from authorized dealer properly packed and setup so I believe that string action and gauge (10) is alright. Suhr has same gauge. Here are samples of not plugged guitars: http://www.sendspace.com/file/368bno ... you can cleanly hear that unplugged PRS is much less percussive. Funny is that this problem gets less obvious when I plug this guitar into Fender Twin on high volume or especially with Cornford Hellcat hi-gain channel ...

swede71
02-24-2013, 01:22 AM
If you pluck the harmonics on the 12th,7th and 5th fret on all guitars,any differences?

cembo
02-24-2013, 04:00 PM
If you pluck the harmonics on the 12th,7th and 5th fret on all guitars,any differences?

... 12th alright, 7th bit weaker and 5th very weak, unlike my other guitars ...

swede71
02-24-2013, 05:29 PM
How does the notes ring high up on the neck?Make sure pickups not set too high.The other guitars bolt-on designs,often more livelier than glued-in designs.

justmund
02-24-2013, 05:33 PM
I can't get the download link to work?

Maybe take some close up shots, especially of the strings/neck/pickups but looking across the body of the guitar, so we can see the clearance between strings/frets and strings/pickups.

Did you buy it locally or import from the US?

cembo
02-25-2013, 02:15 AM
How does the notes ring high up on the neck?Make sure pickups not set too high.The other guitars bolt-on designs,often more livelier than glued-in designs.


I can't get the download link to work?

Maybe take some close up shots, especially of the strings/neck/pickups but looking across the body of the guitar, so we can see the clearance between strings/frets and strings/pickups.

Did you buy it locally or import from the US?

... guitar came from authorised dealer in Quebec. He was recommended by my friend so this guitar is properly setup including pickups, action and intonation. Plugged or unplugged problem still persist. Just sounds somehow muted. On that audio samples is some blues lick (unplugged) to give good example. When you pick the open A string, then "hammer" on C then "hammer" on C# with left hand fingers without picking the string, and then pick A on G string second fret. You can hear that C and C# tones are very quiet sounding, almost muted. When I do it on Suhr those tones are loud enough. Both samples I played with same way and strength. I hope it is just my immagination caused by my lack of experience with PRS :laugh:

Here are the links:

PRS: http://depositfiles.com/files/kqh2xv4ea

Suhr: http://depositfiles.com/files/uwhgbq9xq

]-[ @ n $ 0 |v| a T !
02-25-2013, 05:35 AM
Dead strings? If you're convinced it's the guitar and it doesn't work for you, sell it.

cembo
02-25-2013, 07:39 AM
-[ @ n $ 0 |v| a T ! ;53440']Dead strings? If you're convinced it's the guitar and it doesn't work for you, sell it.

... strings look alright. Like new, not rusty or dirty, but I will put new ones to be sure ...

swede71
02-25-2013, 11:21 AM
Perhaps a dead guitar or just simply not the PRS model for your style of playing.Go to a store and check out some other models,perhaps a cheaper one like the bolt-on NF3 and see if it works better for you.Did you buy without playing it first?

justmund
02-25-2013, 03:51 PM
NF3's aren't cheaper at all... In fact, I have one with a sweet flame maple neck that I'd be willing to swap for the Sig Ltd. I'll even fly to Sydney to make the trade :p

]-[ @ n $ 0 |v| a T !
02-25-2013, 04:05 PM
I don't think you're ever going to get a mahogany neck guitar (warmer tone) to match a maple neck guitar (brighter/snappier tone). They're different animals.

If new Stainless Steel strings don't get you where you wanna be and you don't want to sell the guitar, send it to the PTC for a new nut and the Artist Tweak to the trem bridge.

justmund
02-25-2013, 04:19 PM
Oh shush Hans!

To be honest I couldn't hear much dynamics differences in the audio clips, apart from the overall volume of both guitars which may be attributed to the Suhr being a semi-hollow/chambered.

You said yourself the "problem" is less obvious once plugged in. Have a good read of some of these comments:

http://prsguitars.com/forum/showthread.php?2834-408-Pickups-Love-Fest

http://prsguitars.com/forum/showthread.php?3196-408s

I'm thinking it's all in your head mate, your perception is filtering what you're hearing, you're expecting something that's not there and not appreciating what the Sig Ltd is doing.

Put the Suhr down for a week and just play the Sig Ltd, really play with your amp/guitar settings (as in above threads) and if the problem persists, flip it.

cembo
02-28-2013, 08:56 AM
... I was actually thinking about NF3 for long time because I have been playing of Tele with maple neck for long time. I thought that PRS will have similar tone to my Suhr because of same wood. I ques it's that chambered body of Suhr what makes difference in that bloody legato sound :) I am going to see guitar repairer to be sure ...

Tag
02-28-2013, 02:09 PM
Hi guys,
I just have bought my first PRS new Signature Limited 2012. Beautiful eriza verde color with tremolo and neck made of "sinker" mahogany. Sounding very good, however I have one question. I am owning US Tele Deluxe maple neck and Suhr 10th. Anniversary LE. After my first testing of this PRS I found out that sound is completely different than those two other guitars. It is not a problem of course, because I am sure I will get used to different sound, sooner or later develop the taste for delicate PRS tone color, but there is one thing which is bothering me. Regardless of differences between those three guitars, it is a very simple fact that when i play legato on Suhr it is almost as loud as string pick. In Tele case it is similar as well, but when i play legato on PRS it sounds muted and tones don't sound even. For me is more important how guitar sounds without being plugged into amp than chasing the tone by amp and pickups. I hope there is some reasonable explanation because I don't want to sell this beautiful guitar. All answers are appreciated :cheers:


Chambered and semi hollow guitars always resonate more. All of my PRSs are now semi hollow with trems. Magical combination. That is what you are hearing, especially when unplugged. My Strat and tele rang louder than my PRS solidbodys acoustically too, but they dont ring louder than my PRS semi hollows. Sell that sig, save some money and pick up a CU22 semi hollow LTD. One of the best sounding guitars PRS has ever made IMO, and it will ring like a bell acoustically and especially plugged in. Killer 57/08 pups as well. WHAT a guitar!

http://pic20.picturetrail.com/VOL1427/12601833/22416455/394702624.jpg


:adore:

cembo
03-01-2013, 04:42 AM
Chambered and semi hollow guitars always resonate more. All of my PRSs are now semi hollow with trems. Magical combination. That is what you are hearing, especially when unplugged. My Strat and tele rang louder than my PRS solidbodys acoustically too, but they dont ring louder than my PRS semi hollows. Sell that sig, save some money and pick up a CU22 semi hollow LTD. One of the best sounding guitars PRS has ever made IMO, and it will ring like a bell acoustically and especially plugged in. Killer 57/08 pups as well. WHAT a guitar!

http://pic20.picturetrail.com/VOL1427/12601833/22416455/394702624.jpg


:adore:

... :) interesting idea. Thanks Tag. I will definitely check it out, hopefully find some retailer around to compare sounds. Do you think you can record short audio with your solid body and semi hollow on the same amp and setup so I can have some idea ...

LSchefman
03-01-2013, 09:42 AM
Cembo, have you changed strings yet?

CantankerousCarl
03-02-2013, 06:55 AM
Fwiw my Siggy is one of the brighter hog body / hog neck guitars I have, which I attribute to the trem. Chris crgtr did some great comparison videos of a siggy trem vs stopgap and the trem had more bite and presence to my ears...which is why I bought one. I did have to raise the neck pup a bit, but that's all.

Lots of good advice here, interested to know how it turns out.

cembo
03-04-2013, 08:24 AM
Cembo, have you changed strings yet?

... yes, .010 as is recommended. GHS. Not much has actually changed, but what happened is, that lately I discovered some sound qualities in this guitar which was not obvious before. I have learned that "snappy hammering" in Suhr was caused by its chambered body. This PRS however does not offer this kind of woody resonating sound but something completely different. Rock solid cutting through sound which starting to be noticeable on good hi-gain channel. This guitar loves my Cornford HellCat more than my Suhr guitar. Now playing feels like surgery :) So at the end I am happy that I have learned something about PRS with 408 and maple top :) What I will do in near future is to sell my Suhr 10th. Anniversary (mint condition) and get some good semi-hollow PRS as Tag recommended ...

LSchefman
03-04-2013, 10:48 AM
Rock solid cutting through sound which starting to be noticeable on good hi-gain channel. This guitar loves my Cornford HellCat more than my Suhr guitar. Now playing feels like surgery :)

Mine cuts through like that as well, and I love your surgery analogy - it is a precision instrument, isn't it? I'm not a high gain player, but I get that on even the clean stuff and moderate gain work,

I love playing the Sig Ltd; the more I work with it, the more excited I get when I open the case to use it again. I've found that the volume and tone controls are also especially useful with this guitar, to give me various colors and shades. It's very hard for me to put it down.

Incidentally, I had a CU22 Semi-Hollow Ltd, and it was indeed a very sweet instrument. I wish I still had it.

cembo
03-10-2013, 05:16 PM
Mine cuts through like that as well, and I love your surgery analogy - it is a precision instrument, isn't it? I'm not a high gain player, but I get that on even the clean stuff and moderate gain work,

I love playing the Sig Ltd; the more I work with it, the more excited I get when I open the case to use it again. I've found that the volume and tone controls are also especially useful with this guitar, to give me various colors and shades. It's very hard for me to put it down.

Incidentally, I had a CU22 Semi-Hollow Ltd, and it was indeed a very sweet instrument. I wish I still had it.

... :) I know what you mean, everytime I start practicing it goes for hours ... tone control always at max. I like sharp tone. What I like especially is that split-coil does not lose volume ... what string gauge are you using. I have been advised by friend to not to use other than .010 - .
046 ...

justmund
03-10-2013, 06:28 PM
There's no problem using other gauge strings, as long as the guitar is set up for them. If you go heavier, you may need to have the nut slots widened so the strings don't bind and cause tuning issues during bending or trem use. If you go lighter or heavier, you will have to make corresponding adjustments to the 2 trem claw screws in the trem cavity, so that the spring tension is equal to the string tension (so the trem sits parallel to the body). You may need to also adjust the intonation and/or action, depending on how radical the gauge change is. You will of course experience a change in tone and feel, but I assume that's what you're looking for with the gauge change anyway.

On a side note, the 6 screws fixing the trem to the body should not be touched.

Hope this helps!

LSchefman
03-10-2013, 10:06 PM
... :) I know what you mean, everytime I start practicing it goes for hours ... tone control always at max. I like sharp tone. What I like especially is that split-coil does not lose volume ... what string gauge are you using. I have been advised by friend to not to use other than .010 - .
046 ...

I use PRS .010s. I like the feel and the tone of an all-nickel wrap string.

I always preach about using the volume and tone controls to vary the tone and the sound of the guitar; it's worth getting used to and trying, because it gives you a lot of versatility, and it's something that most of the pros I work with have in their arsenals, and make good use of.

cembo
04-28-2013, 09:56 AM
... I ques tone control would be useful if I play something like Jeff Beck or Knopfler. Somehow I can't stand muddy sound ... it is already a few months since I have bought my first PRS. I have to admit that was a bit confusing start for a maple guy with EL84 and mids always at 3 o'clock :) ... I will try to put thicker gauge on it. Just hopping that there will not be necessary to play with truss rod ...