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themike
04-26-2012, 09:02 PM
I chatted with Doug a little bit about it, but how many of you would be interested in a PRS power amp? Now adays a lot of us are using preamps like the Fractal AxeFX but enjoy having it backed up by a tube poweramp. I personally use a VHT 2/50/2 in my rig right now which I love, but there is no doubt in my mind that Doug could create something just as good in the same price bracket to compete with VHT/Freyette.

Some points I highlighted were

- Least amount of tonal coloring
- Weight
- Presence/Depth controls

I think $1700 for a VHT power amp is a little steep, when PRS are turning out hand wired, complete amplifiers for decently less!

crgtr
04-26-2012, 09:12 PM
I think they would sell the crap outta them!! Great idea. I know Doug could do it. He's THE MAN!!

themike
04-26-2012, 09:18 PM
I think they would sell the crap outta them!! Great idea. I know Doug could do it. He's THE MAN!!

I even told him I would send him my power amp as a reference if he'd like. Maybe if they get some idea on here that people would be into it we could see it! :lol: :twisted:

]-[ @ n $ 0 |v| a T !
04-27-2012, 11:35 AM
Regarding color - I do prefer the way power tubes impact tone over a sterile solid-state power section.

How about an all-tube PRS mono block with power tube switching? :shock:

themike
04-27-2012, 02:57 PM
Regarding color - I do prefer the way power tubes impact tone over a sterile solid-state power section.

How about an all-tube PRS mono block with power tube switching? :shock:

Bahhhh no monoblocks, us Fractal guys need to be able to rackmount this puppy! Im fine with the ability to switch power amp tube choices though! :mrgreen:

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04-28-2012, 01:21 AM
Regarding color - I do prefer the way power tubes impact tone over a sterile solid-state power section.

How about an all-tube PRS mono block with power tube switching? :shock:

Bahhhh no monoblocks, us Fractal guys need to be able to rackmount this puppy! Im fine with the ability to switch power amp tube choices though! :mrgreen:Clearly you haven't seen the Manley Labs MonoBlocks... :o

http://store.acousticsounds.com/images/large/S_250M__9479__08182010044902-2308.jpg

The Ratchet
04-28-2012, 01:57 AM
:o :o :o

Looks like they've still got some room for the Manley.....over at the Titan Missile Museum (http://www.titanmissilemuseum.org/index.php?pg=2).

http://www.titanmissilemuseum.org/images/gallery/control_room.jpg

I heard they mixed the first Santana record on that desk, they thought it sounded 'explosive' in the control room :D

themike
04-28-2012, 07:38 AM
Clearly you haven't seen the Manley Labs MonoBlocks... :o


Dude what is that, 4 spaces? haha :?

Dirty Bob
04-28-2012, 03:41 PM
Regarding color - I do prefer the way power tubes impact tone over a sterile solid-state power section.

How about an all-tube PRS mono block with power tube switching? :shock:


I like the way you think!

tdarian
04-29-2012, 01:27 PM
Manley. That's great gear.

Yeah, I think there would be a robust market for something tubular in the power only dept. Some good things are possible in the SS domain too I think.

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04-29-2012, 06:08 PM
Manley. That's great gear.

Yeah, I think there would be a robust market for something tubular in the power only dept. Some good things are possible in the SS domain too I think.WIth the popularity of the Axe-FX II spreading so quickly, a trick tube power amp sure makes a lot of sense to me.

http://www.fractalaudio.com/images/axe-fx-ii-600.jpg

themike
04-29-2012, 07:05 PM
Manley. That's great gear.

Yeah, I think there would be a robust market for something tubular in the power only dept. Some good things are possible in the SS domain too I think.WIth the popularity of the Axe-FX II spreading so quickly, a trick tube power amp sure makes a lot of sense to me.


Just tonematched a bunch of tones today on mine thanks to Firmware 6 8-)

The Ratchet
04-29-2012, 07:11 PM
Now THAT would be a wise move, if they came out with a power amp specifically with the Axe FX in mind.

In fact, PRS could even include patches of models of all the PRS amps! That sound like the amps when paired with the PRS power amp.

Oh wait....now would that end up costing them more money in amp sales than it made them in power amp sales...hmmm...

themike
04-29-2012, 08:51 PM
Oh wait....now would that end up costing them more money in amp sales than it made them in power amp sales...hmmm...

Ehhhh I dont really think thats true - if you want a PRS amp you are going to own one, no question. I love the sound of PRS amps, and think they are AMAZING - but I will always use the AxeFX over it due to sheer ease for me of having a million sounds in one box, switchable at my feet, as well as USB recording you know?

Plus I know from our conversations Doug thinks the AxeFX are cool units. Lets also not forget that PRS was involved in the WAVES Guitar Amp sims a few years ago. Although the PRS branded amps might not have been out yet, you can be sure that Paul and Doug were in talks about the prospects.

LSchefman
05-01-2012, 05:37 PM
:o :o :o

Looks like they've still got some room for the Manley.....over at the Titan Missile Museum (http://www.titanmissilemuseum.org/index.php?pg=2).

http://www.titanmissilemuseum.org/images/gallery/control_room.jpg

I heard they mixed the first Santana record on that desk, they thought it sounded 'explosive' in the control room :D

Oooo...now I want to redo my studio in Missle Room Green...

And is that a giant spring in the back corner of the shot to prevent the missile/room from experiencing blast or earthquake damage?

The Ratchet
05-01-2012, 08:01 PM
Oooo...now I want to redo my studio in Missle Room Green...

And is that a giant spring in the back corner of the shot to prevent the missile/room from experiencing blast or earthquake damage?

No silly...that's the REVERB TANK!!

(I think Manley made that too) :D

tdarian
05-01-2012, 08:05 PM
Regarding the spring: The creation of a Hologram requires a perfectly stable environment, 100% isolated from vibration.

The creation of holographic tone requires similar isolation.

ArtG
05-03-2012, 01:39 AM
I'd gladly switch to PRS power section in my gig rig.
Please make something that would fit in here :D

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/30262213/gig_rig.jpg

themike
05-03-2012, 09:33 AM
I'd gladly switch to PRS power section in my gig rig.
Please make something that would fit in here :D

Like I said it started as an idea - I emailed Doug and he seemed pretty into it. If people show interest on here
it wouldn't surprise me if it could come to creation :lol:

Em7
05-06-2012, 09:51 AM
I chatted with Doug a little bit about it, but how many of you would be interested in a PRS power amp? Now adays a lot of us are using preamps like the Fractal AxeFX but enjoy having it backed up by a tube poweramp. I personally use a VHT 2/50/2 in my rig right now which I love, but there is no doubt in my mind that Doug could create something just as good in the same price bracket to compete with VHT/Freyette.

Some points I highlighted were

- Least amount of tonal coloring
- Weight
- Presence/Depth controls

I think $1700 for a VHT power amp is a little steep, when PRS are turning out hand wired, complete amplifiers for decently less!

Given your specifications, you are better off with a solid-state amp that uses current feedback. Current feedback makes a solid-state output stage react like a tube output stage with respect to speaker impedance.

themike
05-07-2012, 09:18 AM
Given your specifications, you are better off with a solid-state amp that uses current feedback. Current feedback makes a solid-state output stage react like a tube output stage with respect to speaker impedance.

I've tried a few SS poweramps and while they aren't horrible - actually pretty good to be honest, something about the tube amps just flavor it just right for me. It's like the AxeFX2 tone is a perfectly baked cake, and the VHT power amp coloring is just a thin layer of delicious icing. Not overpowering, but noticbly better than just plain cake.

Hmmm, now I want cake.....

Scott Peterson
05-07-2012, 09:28 AM
Did somebody say.... Axe-FX? :D

I run FRFR direct to FOH, so a poweramp won't be on my personal shopping list. However, there are a lot of options out there now at various price points for guys running a more conventional traditional route.

You have the ART SS stuff on the lower end, Matrix, and now the Retro Channel all out (or almost out). They range up to just over $1000 USD or so.

The tube stuff is covered - but Atomic's 50/50 rack mount wasn't mentioned. It's more affordable than the VHT that was.

The key for PRS if they go this route will be price point. Where do they fall? The features/price point balancing point will matter.

IMHO, YMMV.

themike
05-07-2012, 09:41 AM
Did somebody say.... Axe-FX? :D

Oh you play an AxeFX, Scott? I had no idea :lol: :lol:

Yeah, when I spoke to doug I mentioned pricing is important. Since they have full blown, hand wired amplifiers for under $1500, I can't help but think a power amp is do-able for price that is competitive to the market. Combine that with weight releif and some minor controls...boom, awesomeness.

The Matrix is the only power amp I haven't tried and would like to. The weight, and single rack space, make it very very appealing.

Em7
05-09-2012, 11:03 AM
I've tried a few SS poweramps and while they aren't horrible - actually pretty good to be honest, something about the tube amps just flavor it just right for me. It's like the AxeFX2 tone is a perfectly baked cake, and the VHT power amp coloring is just a thin layer of delicious icing. Not overpowering, but noticbly better than just plain cake.

Hmmm, now I want cake.....

Not all solid-state amps are created equal. Have you tried a solid-state amp that employs current feedback? Most solid-state amps use voltage feedback. Voltage feedback decouples speaker reactance from the output stage. Current-feedback makes a solid-state output stage behave much like a tube stage in that it raises output stage impedance and lowers an output stage's damping factor; therefore, making a solid-state power stage speaker frequency response dependent like a tube amp. Most of the solid-state power amps on the market do not employ current feedback (they are class D switch-mode power amps that are designed for maximum efficiency). Marshall's 8004 and 8008 stereo power amps employ current feedback in "Valvestate" mode. Rocktron's Velocity 300 also uses current feedback.

In the end, you are going to have to accept the weight if you have to have a tube power amp. Light weight and stereo tube power amps with clean power ratings much above ten to fifteen watts per channel are mutually exclusive. The power and output transformers are the heaviest components in a tube amp by a large margin, and a stereo tube amp requires two output transformers. Throw in the requirement for the amp to carry a 50+ Watt per channel "clean" RMS rating, and we talking about three hefty transformers.

Boardwlk17
05-24-2012, 04:27 PM
i have a Mesa Boogie 20/20 power amp and a Boogie 2:90 the 2:90 has some weight to it. the 20/20 sounds great and is 1 rack space and i use it around half way up with a full band running 2-4x12 cabs. i think weight is the biggest issue. i would love to see a 100 watt El-34 or a 6l6 90 or a 100 watt. no bigger than 2 rack spaces