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lucidology
04-28-2012, 06:42 AM
If any, then what is it?

IMHO, the Wide/Thin neck is one of the best playing necks ever made ...
So have great curiosity (or you can even say 'concern') that it no might be discontinued at some point ,,,

lucidology
04-29-2012, 03:56 PM
No one knows... do you mean I have to do a little research on my own ,,, Shame :geek:

vchizzle
04-30-2012, 10:12 AM
Have you played the pattern thin yet? It's not radically different - I think the pattern necks just feel like a worn in version of their previous. kinda like it's been played for 15-20 years.

markie
04-30-2012, 10:49 AM
Pattern thin feels different to me. Not sure, but perhaps a little more meat in the middle???????????

lucidology
04-30-2012, 01:49 PM
Have you played the pattern thin yet? It's not radically different - I think the pattern necks just feel like a worn in version of their previous. kinda like it's been played for 15-20 years.
Thanks ....

No I haven't played one yet ... what you wrote sounds great ...
Curiosty looms ... lol

wilerty
04-30-2012, 02:08 PM
The pattern WT has slightly softer shoulders or is a little more of a V neck. It is basically the same difference as between WF and pattern.

kingsleyd
04-30-2012, 02:12 PM
The pattern WT has slightly softer shoulders or is a little more of a V neck. It is basically the same difference as between WF and pattern.

This. And it's super-comfortable. I'm generally pretty agnostic about neck shapes -- I readily adapt to different ones -- but I do like it when they shave the shoulders some. (or when they get played into that shape over time!)

lucidology
04-30-2012, 04:03 PM
The pattern WT has slightly softer shoulders or is a little more of a V neck. It is basically the same difference as between WF and pattern.

OH NO ... V necks scare me off ...(even slightly V)
Is the Wide/Thin still an option?

kingsleyd
04-30-2012, 04:23 PM
Joe, there's no "V" at the bottom at all. It's just that there is less shoulder.

The Ratchet
04-30-2012, 04:35 PM
There's definitely no 'V' in it. If anything, Pattern Thin is the most 'Ibanez' type neck PRS has produced. (Although it's nowhere close to an Ibanez, I'm just making the analogy).

And I feel it is moreso in that direction than the Wide/Thin was.

lucidology
04-30-2012, 04:54 PM
There's definitely no 'V' in it. If anything, Pattern Thin is the most 'Ibanez' type neck PRS has produced. (Although it's nowhere close to an Ibanez, I'm just making the analogy).

And I feel it is moreso in that direction than the Wide/Thin was.

Kind of like a Wizard neck would you say ...?

Snoopygore71
05-01-2012, 12:03 AM
No, no PRS neck is as slim and fast as an Ibanez wizard neck.

That said, my Cu22 and Tremonti are wide thin and very comfortable, I battle with the neck on the 513 I have :?

lucidology
05-02-2012, 10:31 AM
No, no PRS neck is as slim and fast as an Ibanez wizard neck.

That said, my Cu22 and Tremonti are wide thin and very comfortable, I battle with the neck on the 513 I have :?

Yes ... I was once very interested in a 513 until I actually played it ...
totally killed my interest because I felt the neck kind-a clumsy (IMO) ^ took away from the PRS mystic playability vibe ...lol

enigma
01-14-2014, 02:29 PM
Just found this thread. In an effort to find a CU24 with a 59/09 and 5-way blade I came across a Quilt Top with a Pattern Thin Rosewood Neck today. Boy, was I really disappointed with the way it felt on my hands. It definitely felt more Ibanez-like; seems to have less shoulder than W/T. Anyway, I AM keeping my CU24 Artist with a Wide Thin neck unless I find a really nice Pattern, or Pattern Regular at the least.

Sage
01-14-2014, 02:59 PM
This video explains the differences:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o3Q_piNq3pI

The Wide/Thin was a design that was carved and then digitized for reproduction via CNC. The Pattern Thin is actually designed in a CAD program (probably using the original digitized design as a starting point). This allows for much greater precision and control of the smoothness, depth, and curve in the basic design. I doubt that it's significantly different from the old Wide/Thin.

enigma
01-14-2014, 03:27 PM
This video explains the differences:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o3Q_piNq3pI

The Wide/Thin was a design that was carved and then digitized for reproduction via CNC. The Pattern Thin is actually designed in a CAD program (probably using the original digitized design as a starting point). This allows for much greater precision and control of the smoothness, depth, and curve in the basic design. I doubt that it's significantly different from the old Wide/Thin.

Thanks for the video. I guess the difference is that the Wide Thin on my '05 CU24 Artist feels slightly thicker (since, it was hand carved?) than the Pattern Thin. ALSO, since the Rosewood neck is not coated I'd think there is a noticeable feel difference than one that's coated. In addition, you note that Pattern Thin was derived OUT of the digitized Wide Thin as a STARTING point which would explain that Pattern Thin is perhaps thinner than Wide Thin or whichever digitized Wide Thin carve they started off as.

Sage
01-14-2014, 03:39 PM
you note that Pattern Thin was derived OUT of the digitized Wide Thin as a STARTING point

That's an assumption on my part. It would make sense if they did that. They could have just designed a whole new neck shape from scratch in the CAD program shown in the video, but that seems like more work than it's worth to me.

John
01-14-2014, 04:46 PM
They're similar, though. In any case, I am a fan of both.

enigma
01-14-2014, 04:47 PM
I do think that, when it comes to Rosewood necks, and whatever the neck carve, they DO feel thinner because they don't come with a coating.

enigma
01-14-2014, 05:02 PM
They could have just designed a whole new neck shape from scratch in the CAD program shown in the video, but that seems like more work than it's worth to me.

I hope not. I'm an industrial/ product designer and CAD is a just a tool, and it can never replace design or craft done by hand.

blaren
01-14-2014, 07:15 PM
I have WT, WF, and PT. I am a WT guy and love my Tremonti SE Custom (partly) because of that. I LOVE my '94 CE24 partly because of it's WT carve. I use my McSoapy for slide only partly because of it's WF carve that I don't really like to "play" the WF carve. I have a PT carve on my Studio and it sure doesn't feel very WT-ish to me. Not at ALL! Of course it's thinner than a WF but it's not a WT by ANY stretch.
I think (maybe it does?) the CU24FR should come in WT carve. Or even WrTr (WiderThinner). My CE's WT is VERY T. Thinner than my SE's WT at least it FEELS that way.
Also worth noting that it doesn't take many /64ths of an inch to feel a LOT different. And a different shoulder (as in C,V,U...) can really change the perceived feel of a neck.

I'm kinda surprised they went with the Pattern family. The lovers of the beefy '50s Gibby necks seem to have thought the WF wasn't F enough. I always thought my CE's WT was the perfect amount of T.
The pattern carves kinda seem like "meh" or neither here nor there.
Disclaimer: I have not felt a Pattern or Pattern Regular.

I LOVE WT carves. I do NOT LOVE PT carves. I like them though.
YMMV of course.

EDIT: Btw, writing a new program to cut the necks isn't much work or time consuming at all. It would take under an hour (under a half hour? Under 15 minutes?) to write a program to make one out of steel or aluminum on a CNC machining center. I'd imagine it wouldn't take any longer with wood. Maybe even faster since you could probably take fewer (deeper) cuts?