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swede71
05-14-2012, 04:04 PM
Im a big fan of Bernie Marsden and his signature guitar looks and sounds fantastic from i see at youtube.Any owners here and your thought about this guitar?

Mikegarveyblues
05-17-2012, 11:30 AM
It's a fantastic guitar Swede!!!

I'm not going to name any other brands as that's unfair but...

I tried quite a few other guitars from other manufacturers between £500 and £800 and whilst there was some very good ones, none of them matched the build quality of the Bernie.

Out the box the setup was to specs. Feels wonderful to play, sounds great, looks great!

Downsides...

I wish PRS would upgrade the nuts on the SE's. I've said this quite a few times, but... They build these great guitars and then put those cheap nuts on them, It doesn't make any sense. A good nut is vital to good tone, playability, tuning stability, etc. So why compromise that with the hollow things they use on the SE's.

That is the only place where the SE's have issues IMHO. The SE's are - of course - a mid priced instrument so corners have to be cut somewhere. Apart from the nut the corners are cut in the electrics. The stock pickups in the Bernie (And other models such as the Santana and 245) are the SE 245 pickups.

These pickups are actually very, very good. I loved the neck pup in the Bernie but I felt the bridge pup didn't quite match it. Still a good pickup though.

Tone is such a subjective thing though, so my views on the sound are to be taken with a pinch of salt.

Tuners and one pieve bridge work very well. No issues there at all (Since having a new Tusq nut fitted).

Overall, A very, very good guitar for the money. Just factor in the cost of having a new nut fitted and you've got a LOT of guitar for the money!!!
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PRS guys, if you're reading this ... Please start using better quality (And better cut) nuts on the SE's!!!

swede71
05-17-2012, 05:01 PM
Thanks for the info Mike!Brilliant demo on youtube.Great playing!I have to say one of the best sounding PRSs ive heard on youtube.I also love the vid with Bernie from Nevada musicUK.I will definitely check it out.Does it comes with the "peter green" out of phase sound Bernie talks about?

howard52
06-14-2012, 01:03 AM
yes great guitar..you cant go wrong with this guitar..a few upgrades and its top of the line...

Danerada
06-14-2012, 01:03 PM
I love mine! This is my go to rocker....

Mikegarveyblues
06-14-2012, 04:49 PM
Sorry for the late reply to this Swede...

It doesn't have the out of phase. I saw a couple of posts on other forums a while back where people where saying they loved the out of phase sound in the middle. Left me scratching my head... So, after a couple of messages on Y'tube about that I decided to email Bernie. Bernie's prototype is wired up for the phase reversal via a push pull switch if I remember correctly, but it is just his guitar. Not sure how they did it as the SE 245 pups aren't four conducter wiring.

You'd have to get some one to re-wire the pups or get replacement pups with 4 conducter to do that particular mod. I ordered my BKP Mules with 4 conducter with an eye to doing the phase thing but i'm just wired stock for now.

I just got hold of some CTS pots and Tonepros locking studs so i'm going to wire all that in tonight and then i'm just about done with the mods to this guitar.

If i'm going to be honest... The only 'must do' mod is the nut IMHO. The pups - particularly the neck pup - are great. The bridge pup wasn't quite what I was after which is what prompted me to change to BKP's, but... If the bridge pup was as good as the neck then they'd have stayed in the guitar! So good infact.. I'm going to get a guitar just to put them in!

Boogie
06-14-2012, 10:08 PM
Are the body dimensions and specs identical between the Bernie and the SE245? I was under the impression they were. Aside from the neck binding, controls layout and tuners, I thought they were virtually identical. Is that correct?

Mikegarveyblues
09-07-2012, 06:09 PM
Just noticed that the Bernie is considered one of the six best signature guitars of 2012 by Guitarist mag along side some tough competition such as the EVH sig, Johnny Marr & Kurt Cobain sig by...err... other manufacturers.

Not bad for a humble SE which -as far as I know - was initially only going to be released in limited numbers! :)

http://www.musicradar.com/news/guitars/six-of-the-best-2012-signature-guitars-559229/3#!3

dogsbrekky
02-11-2013, 04:05 PM
Just noticed that the Bernie is considered one of the six best signature guitars of 2012 by Guitarist mag along side some tough competition such as the EVH sig, Johnny Marr & Kurt Cobain sig by...err... other manufacturers.

Not bad for a humble SE which -as far as I know - was initially only going to be released in limited numbers! :)

http://www.musicradar.com/news/guitars/six-of-the-best-2012-signature-guitars-559229/3#!3


Mike, I back ordered the Bernie Marsden and lucked out, my nut is much better than some of those I tried at Guitar C etc and the set up straight from the box is ideal.. perfect intonation, I even like these standard Pups, just raised my bridge a smidgen and lowered the neck Pup and alikazzaammmmmmmmmmmmm I have got my own "Mini-beast" for $649..... thanks for your stuff on youtube and that of the Zombie (also out of the UK)..

PRS quality is IMHO the best of any of the manufacturers and I own Fender products and have looked at many Gibson, Schecter, Jackson products etc..

My PRS SE Bernie Marsden is a little Korean Rolls Royce... GREAT QUALITY

dogsbrekky
02-11-2013, 04:09 PM
MY Bernie has a HUGE ASS neck at the base, much heftier than the 245s I tried at GC in NYC a few weeks ago. and the body of my BM is THICKER.... also the tones out of the 245 Pups on the Bernie model seem a bit meatier (make sense) probably due to the extra thick body................... will see if I can put exact specs down

Mikegarveyblues
02-11-2013, 04:27 PM
Hey bud, glad you like it and welcome!

Had mine for over a year now and I love it to bits! I've since added an SE C24 (2012) to the stable and (Apart from some bad luck with the nut again) it's an absolute gem! The quality is top notch and doe put other manufacturers to shame it has to be said.

I always thought the body was the same thickness but I never measured. There was a noticable difference in neck size between the Bernie (Based in part off his '59 LP) and the 245 despite them both being described as 'wide fat'. The neck heel's a monster but I really like it. I don't have big hands but it doesn't cause any issues at the dusty end. :)

I think Guitarist mag mentioned the same thing when they reviewed it. Can't remember the exact quote but it was something about the Bernie sounding more classic or something. Tiny differences but they do make a difference.

If you ever get a chance to pop the neck pup take a look at the quality of the joint. Long tennon and perfectly executed!

I've said this before but if they did different colours i'd get another but this time probably keep the stock pups, but maybe throw some nickel covers on.

Pics!!!

dogsbrekky
02-12-2013, 06:11 AM
Hey bud, glad you like it and welcome!

Had mine for over a year now and I love it to bits! I've since added an SE C24 (2012) to the stable and (Apart from some bad luck with the nut again) it's an absolute gem! The quality is top notch and doe put other manufacturers to shame it has to be said.

I always thought the body was the same thickness but I never measured. There was a noticable difference in neck size between the Bernie (Based in part off his '59 LP) and the 245 despite them both being described as 'wide fat'. The neck heel's a monster but I really like it. I don't have big hands but it doesn't cause any issues at the dusty end. :)

I think Guitarist mag mentioned the same thing when they reviewed it. Can't remember the exact quote but it was something about the Bernie sounding more classic or something. Tiny differences but they do make a difference.

If you ever get a chance to pop the neck pup take a look at the quality of the joint. Long tennon and perfectly executed!

I've said this before but if they did different colours i'd get another but this time probably keep the stock pups, but maybe throw some nickel covers on.

Pics!!!


Yeah, when I find my digi camera will take some, my cell phone camera sucks rotten egg gas

dogsbrekky
02-13-2013, 10:45 AM
It's a fantastic guitar Swede!!!



I wish PRS would upgrade the nuts on the SE's. I've said this quite a few times, but... They build these great guitars and then put those cheap nuts on them, It doesn't make any sense. A good nut is vital to good tone, playability, tuning stability, etc. So why compromise that with the hollow things they use on the SE's.

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PRS guys, if you're reading this ... Please start using better quality (And better cut) nuts on the SE's!!!


Is this the NUT to get ?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/GRAPH-TECH-TUSQ-SLOTTED-NUT-PRS-SE-GUITAR-43X6mm-PQ-6643-00-/330870565809?pt=Guitar_Accessories&hash=item4d096c2bb1

:star: :prslogo:

IRG
02-13-2013, 11:14 AM
Is this the NUT to get ?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/GRAPH-TECH-TUSQ-SLOTTED-NUT-PRS-SE-GUITAR-43X6mm-PQ-6643-00-/330870565809?pt=Guitar_Accessories&hash=item4d096c2bb1

:star: :prslogo:

I'd like to know this too, for the SE 245. I really need one soon.

markophonic
02-13-2013, 11:29 AM
http://www.ebay.com/itm/GRAPH-TECH-TUSQ-SLOTTED-NUT-PRS-SE-GUITAR-43X6mm-PQ-6643-00-/330870565809?pt=Guitar_Accessories&hash=item4d096c2bb1

That is the nut that I just bought for my Bernie. I haven't installed it yet but I have measured it and it will fit.

I ordered the nut the same time I ordered the guitar because I had heard and read that the nut may need work/replaced.

The nut on my Marsden really isn't too bad....not as bad as some I've read about...the slots are a little deeper than I prefer. I'm going to play it for a couple weeks and then I'll probably install the new nut.



I also ordered some nickel covers for the pickups but they won't arrive until next Monday.

dogsbrekky
02-13-2013, 11:44 AM
yeah mate, my nut is okay (well the nut on the Bernie, not necessarily my NUT), actually quite good, but for $7 and a little time I think it may be better to get the best, plus I am a tinkerer

dogsbrekky
02-13-2013, 12:34 PM
http://twitpic.com/c3f1wd


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A few pics of my little "BEAST"


:7string:

dogsbrekky
02-13-2013, 12:35 PM
PICS


See my twitter feed as the pics didnt come out here


https://twitter.com/TuxOnMadisonAve

Mikegarveyblues
02-13-2013, 03:25 PM
Is this the NUT to get ?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/GRAPH-TECH-TUSQ-SLOTTED-NUT-PRS-SE-GUITAR-43X6mm-PQ-6643-00-/330870565809?pt=Guitar_Accessories&hash=item4d096c2bb1

:star: :prslogo:

That's the correct nut - or as close as you can get without using an oversized blank. I had a local tech fit mine and it was cut from a blank.

Here's the thing though.. I ordered this nut for my C24:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/GRAPH-TECH-BLACK-TUSQ-XL-SLOTTED-NUT-PRS-SE-GUITAR-43X6mm-PT-6643-00-/251223756586?pt=Guitar_Accessories&hash=item3a7e1a4f2a

which is the Black Tusk XL version of that nut. Same dimensions.

With that nut I had a hair line gap at the back and sides and the slots weren't quite at the right angle. Minor details that wouldn't affect anything but it's been enough for me to pull it and i'll be having my tech fit one from a blank next week.

The nuts are supposed to be oversized in height and width so you can get a perfect fit but mine wasn't (Except for the height).

Haven't read an experience similar to mine so either I was a little unlucky or i'm being very anal about a hairline gap!

As ever... Measure carefully to make 100% sure it all fits.

My measurements of my Bernie compared to the 245 and other 'wide-fat' guitars is that the Bernie is a touch wider. Just fractions of an inch or millimeter, but it's there. Guitarist mag also carries slightly different measurements for the Bernie and 245 in their review.

Infact... I'll dig it out to check....

_pete_
02-13-2013, 03:34 PM
Is this the NUT to get ?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/GRAPH-TECH-TUSQ-SLOTTED-NUT-PRS-SE-GUITAR-43X6mm-PQ-6643-00-/330870565809?pt=Guitar_Accessories&hash=item4d096c2bb1

:star: :prslogo:


Yep. That's the exact same one I put on my Bernie. It was a perfect fit for width and the slots were dead on for 10-46 strings. All you have to do is sand down the bottom to get the height correct. Take a little at a time and keep checking it.

Pic of said nut on my Bernie with refinished headstock:
http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h247/pete2112/PRS%20SE/031_zpsf0e4fcd7.jpg

dogsbrekky
02-13-2013, 03:39 PM
I'm going to do a JFK........................................ wait until the Russians actually bomb until I respond to changing the NUT,

IE..................... enjoy the thing until I eff it up !

dogsbrekky
02-13-2013, 03:42 PM
The strings on my Bernie appear to be stocky 9-42s which I usually use anyway... I assume most of the blues type players use 10s or heavier, yes ???

Mikegarveyblues
02-13-2013, 03:43 PM
Yep. That's the exact same one I put on my Bernie. It was a perfect fit for width and the slots were dead on for 10-46 strings. All you have to do is sand down the bottom to get the height correct. Take a little at a time and keep checking it.

Pic of said nut on my Bernie with refinished headstock:
http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h247/pete2112/PRS%20SE/031_zpsf0e4fcd7.jpg

Your's looks spot on.

Dogsbrekky, installing the nut is very easy.

When sanding it down keep checking as Pete says. Keep some strings on the guitar to use a as a measurement guide. You want to be able to press down at the 3rd fret and have a tiny amount (About the guage of a high e string) of clearence between the string and first fret.

I just sanded down and placed the nut on the guitar and popped the strings in the slot and tuned up to guage the height (Along with some feeler guages). Just repeat this process until you're happy.

Mikegarveyblues
02-13-2013, 03:49 PM
Okay, according to Guitarist mag (And matches both my and my techs knowledge) the nuts of the Bernie and 245 are:

Bernie - 43.7mm

SE 245 - 43.3mm

Just to throw a spanner in the works...

In their recent review of the Limited Edition Bernie, Guitarist measured the nut width at 43.3. A half mill narrower than the stock one!!!

I'm pretty sure the plain white and black nuts are a little oversized (They ALL are height wise) on the width so I doubt you'll have issues with it fitting. Still not sure what went on with my Tusq XL one though. Here's what mine looked like when fitted:

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8093/8471062869_219a55e652_b.jpg

Notice the slight gap. Although it's clear i'm being very picky given it's less than the width of the high E string!!! :) This is why Graphtech slightly oversize their nuts. Strange mine wasn't. Hope I haven't confused you with all this but it's a couple of things to bare in mind.

Mikegarveyblues
02-13-2013, 03:54 PM
http://www.ebay.com/itm/GRAPH-TECH-TUSQ-SLOTTED-NUT-PRS-SE-GUITAR-43X6mm-PQ-6643-00-/330870565809?pt=Guitar_Accessories&hash=item4d096c2bb1

That is the nut that I just bought for my Bernie. I haven't installed it yet but I have measured it and it will fit.

I ordered the nut the same time I ordered the guitar because I had heard and read that the nut may need work/replaced.

The nut on my Marsden really isn't too bad....not as bad as some I've read about...the slots are a little deeper than I prefer. I'm going to play it for a couple weeks and then I'll probably install the new nut.



I also ordered some nickel covers for the pickups but they won't arrive until next Monday.

Covered pups look great. What size did you order?

Mikegarveyblues
02-13-2013, 03:58 PM
Nevermind... I had a brain fart! :)

Your best bet is to upload pics to a site such as Flick or Photobucket.

Nice looking Bernie BTW!

Mikegarveyblues
02-13-2013, 04:04 PM
The strings on my Bernie appear to be stocky 9-42s which I usually use anyway... I assume most of the blues type players use 10s or heavier, yes ???

Each to their own but 9's are a bit to light for a guitar with a 24.5 scale length. 10's on the Bernie will give better balance IMHO.

Chris528
02-13-2013, 04:16 PM
Each to their own but 9's are a bit to light for a guitar with a 24.5 scale length. 10's on the Bernie will give better balance IMHO.

I actually like 9s on my Santana SE which is 24.5 scale length too. My Epi Les Paul custom has 13s so I'm really surprised I like them.

Mikegarveyblues
02-13-2013, 04:27 PM
I actually like 9s on my Santana SE which is 24.5 scale length too. My Epi Les Paul custom has 13s so I'm really surprised I like them.

Wow, quite a difference!

Funny how it works out though. I have 10's on my Strat (D'Addarios) and on my Bernie (D'Addarios) and despite the scale lenght difference they feel about the same.

Chris528
02-13-2013, 04:41 PM
Yeah definitely a big difference, but the 13s are for DAFCGC tuning and the Santana is in standard. Sometimes I tend to overbend the strings though because its so effortless compared to the 13s.

dogsbrekky
02-13-2013, 07:20 PM
Wow, quite a difference!

Funny how it works out though. I have 10's on my Strat (D'Addarios) and on my Bernie (D'Addarios) and despite the scale lenght difference they feel about the same.


Yeah, I actually have pro-steel 8s on my Strat as I just started playing again and it feels great for practice.............. sustain not so good though, but I think 10s will be better on the Bernie beast but once again will wait a month or so.......... also upgrading the Pups on my Strat to an Area 58 Dimarzio (Neck) and Noiseless Vintage Strat Pup (middle)......... will keep my PRS SE 245s on the Bernie for a year or so as I especially love the neck "bulky BASSY sound"...................

Will mess with the PRS NUT in a few weeks...

Thanks again fore the advice Mike... have been watching your MANY youtooooob videos on Blues playing... most wonderful mate

markophonic
02-14-2013, 08:21 AM
Covered pups look great. What size did you order?

I ordered some Gibson nickel covers. 50mm neck and 52mm bridge

Mikegarveyblues
02-14-2013, 08:34 AM
I ordered some Gibson nickel covers. 50mm neck and 52mm bridge

Cool, they should be perfect size wise!

dogsbrekky
02-14-2013, 04:45 PM
I like the Zebra look AND alas, I dropped Bernie on my little Vox headphone amp..

Bernie = zero damage

Vox amp = Hiroshima

all good because I ordered a Fender Frontman 25G, eff the apartment neighbours, he hehhhheeeeeeeee

guitargeezer
05-07-2013, 04:31 AM
I just picked up a Bernie after watching Bernie's and Mike Garvey's You Tube videos and it is everything it was cracked up to be. I was initially drawn by the reports of the chunky bound neck, but was really sold by the great tones...and the great looks!

I've had Gibsons and Fenders and a host of clones, but I don't think that I've ever had a guitar that just melted into my hands like the Bernie. Mine is absolutely perfect...right out of the box. I'll probably end up tinkering with the nut because I like 10s, but I like the pups and won't be changing those out anytime soon.

Well done, PRS!

Mikegarveyblues
05-07-2013, 12:54 PM
I just picked up a Bernie after watching Bernie's and Mike Garvey's You Tube videos and it is everything it was cracked up to be. I was initially drawn by the reports of the chunky bound neck, but was really sold by the great tones...and the great looks!

I've had Gibsons and Fenders and a host of clones, but I don't think that I've ever had a guitar that just melted into my hands like the Bernie. Mine is absolutely perfect...right out of the box. I'll probably end up tinkering with the nut because I like 10s, but I like the pups and won't be changing those out anytime soon.

Well done, PRS!

Hey Guitageezer, welcome to the forum and congrats on the Bernie!

It's interesting... I embedded a couple of my Bernie vids onto a thread on here recently. One was completely stock and the other was with the upgraded pups. It was the first time in a while i'd heard them together and I have to say the stock pups sounded great. I always loved the neck but was less keen on the bridge - and I wanted covered pups - which was why I swapped them out. But I have to be honest and say the stock SE245 pups do sound great. I don't regret the change as I like the sound of the pups I have now.

If I know there's never going to be a US Bernie then I would actually buy another and keep it stock and send the other off to be re-finished in a different colour. Just such a great guitar that I have no issues with owning two.

What solo it for me was the neck. it looks and sounds great, but the neck is - for me at least - perfection!

Post some pics!!! :)

Danerada
05-07-2013, 01:06 PM
So I have to get some pics up...I need to get pics of my Bernie with the 53/10's and the new to me (thanks serg!) Tone Pros bridge! Tonight I think....

Mikegarveyblues
05-07-2013, 01:09 PM
So I have to get some pics up...I need to get pics of my Bernie with the 53/10's and the new to me (thanks serg!) Tone Pros bridge! Tonight I think....

Yes!!!

I've been considering whether to change the bridge for a while. I was thinking the Schroeder adjustable as I couldn't afford the US PRS ones.

GS1
02-04-2014, 09:08 AM
Hi All,

New guy here, and fairly new player. I recently purchased a Bernie Marsden, and love it! (I got a smokin' deal at GC, but would have been happy to pay full price!) I actually returned a Les Paul Studio Deluxe 2, which was beautiful, but I didn't feel it was worth the money as I just couldn't get the action where it needed to be for me. I had a highly recommended tech set it up for me, and he agreed that it just wasn't going to happen. I tried about six other LP's, and only two of them felt right to me, and they were twice as much, and five times as much. Very disappointing as I have lusted after one for years.

Then a guy at a shop recommended PRS, and said that the quality was absolutely top notch, and pretty much said that Gibson was hit or miss anymore. I did a little research, and watched a lot of videos (Mike Garvey-Awesome stuff on you tube! I can only hope to be half that good some day!), and decided that the Marsden was for me. Anyway, I will try not to ask too many dumb questions, and maybe contribute something worthwhile occasionally!

Danerada
02-04-2014, 09:16 AM
Welcome! And the Bernie SE is a top notch freaking guitar. I had one and sold it and I completely and totally regret it.


Hi All,

New guy here, and fairly new player. I recently purchased a Bernie Marsden, and love it! (I got a smokin' deal at GC, but would have been happy to pay full price!) I actually returned a Les Paul Studio Deluxe 2, which was beautiful, but I didn't feel it was worth the money as I just couldn't get the action where it needed to be for me. I had a highly recommended tech set it up for me, and he agreed that it just wasn't going to happen. I tried about six other LP's, and only two of them felt right to me, and they were twice as much, and five times as much. Very disappointing as I have lusted after one for years.

Then a guy at a shop recommended PRS, and said that the quality was absolutely top notch, and pretty much said that Gibson was hit or miss anymore. I did a little research, and watched a lot of videos (Mike Garvey-Awesome stuff on you tube! I can only hope to be half that good some day!), and decided that the Marsden was for me. Anyway, I will try not to ask too many dumb questions, and maybe contribute something worthwhile occasionally!

andy474x
02-04-2014, 09:21 AM
Hi All,

New guy here, and fairly new player. I recently purchased a Bernie Marsden, and love it! (I got a smokin' deal at GC, but would have been happy to pay full price!) I actually returned a Les Paul Studio Deluxe 2, which was beautiful, but I didn't feel it was worth the money as I just couldn't get the action where it needed to be for me. I had a highly recommended tech set it up for me, and he agreed that it just wasn't going to happen. I tried about six other LP's, and only two of them felt right to me, and they were twice as much, and five times as much. Very disappointing as I have lusted after one for years.

Then a guy at a shop recommended PRS, and said that the quality was absolutely top notch, and pretty much said that Gibson was hit or miss anymore. I did a little research, and watched a lot of videos (Mike Garvey-Awesome stuff on you tube! I can only hope to be half that good some day!), and decided that the Marsden was for me. Anyway, I will try not to ask too many dumb questions, and maybe contribute something worthwhile occasionally!

Welcome and congrats on the new axe! The Marsden has been a big hit around here, in fact all of the incarnations of the SE singlecuts are just plain awesome. You made a good choice passing on Gibson, I've felt the same way about them for quite a while now. They just don't perform the way a guitar should, the way the SE's do.

Ask all the dumb questions you want, I do it all the time!!!

Chuckblues
02-04-2014, 09:24 AM
I recently replaced the SE 245 pickups with Bare Knuckle Mules ! Wow ! This guitar is so good that I'm going to sell my SE 245 . I find the neck fits my hand a little better than the SE 245 Wide fat neck !It now has tone for days !

Mikegarveyblues
02-04-2014, 04:51 PM
Hi All,

New guy here, and fairly new player. I recently purchased a Bernie Marsden, and love it! (I got a smokin' deal at GC, but would have been happy to pay full price!) I actually returned a Les Paul Studio Deluxe 2, which was beautiful, but I didn't feel it was worth the money as I just couldn't get the action where it needed to be for me. I had a highly recommended tech set it up for me, and he agreed that it just wasn't going to happen. I tried about six other LP's, and only two of them felt right to me, and they were twice as much, and five times as much. Very disappointing as I have lusted after one for years.

Then a guy at a shop recommended PRS, and said that the quality was absolutely top notch, and pretty much said that Gibson was hit or miss anymore. I did a little research, and watched a lot of videos (Mike Garvey-Awesome stuff on you tube! I can only hope to be half that good some day!), and decided that the Marsden was for me. Anyway, I will try not to ask too many dumb questions, and maybe contribute something worthwhile occasionally!

Congrats on the Bernie... get some pictures up! :) I haven't played in a few months - apart from the odd noodle here and there - to say I'm rusty is an understatement. I'll get back to it someday. The cool thing is that the Bernie still feels great despite that. My Strat (which I love) feels like a Beeitch!


Welcome! And the Bernie SE is a top notch freaking guitar. I had one and sold it and I completely and totally regret it.

You sold it?!?!

GS1
02-04-2014, 05:06 PM
Thanks guys, I will try and get a pic up some time.

Harmonious
02-13-2014, 10:23 AM
Greetings all, my first post here. Love the look of the BM and have the opportunity to buy a mint one for £350. I wondered if anyone has had any problems with intonation on theirs? I've never owned an electric with a non-adjustable bridge and have read of a few possible issues with these. Thanks for any comments and opinions.

Bluesboy998
02-13-2014, 12:16 PM
I use11's on mine no intonation problems the guitar stays in perfect tune wonderful guitar.

Desperado
02-14-2014, 02:30 AM
Greetings all, my first post here. Love the look of the BM and have the opportunity to buy a mint one for £350. I wondered if anyone has had any problems with intonation on theirs? I've never owned an electric with a non-adjustable bridge and have read of a few possible issues with these. Thanks for any comments and opinions.

The stoptail piece IS adjustable, just not individually like a TOM. There are hex screws at either end of the tailpiece which make the adjustment. I have one of these on my SE Singlecut and was surprised how well it works. My SC intonates fine. Don't worry, just buy the Bernie, sounds like a great price.

dogsbrekky
02-14-2014, 03:12 PM
Greetings all, my first post here. Love the look of the BM and have the opportunity to buy a mint one for £350. I wondered if anyone has had any problems with intonation on theirs? I've never owned an electric with a non-adjustable bridge and have read of a few possible issues with these. Thanks for any comments and opinions.


Yes, I have problems but mainly because my guitar is kept in my 3rd floor built out attic space and the temp and humidity changes are bizzare.... even with my heater or aircon on

I tune my guitar each time I play it

I love the thing though... the sustain is so incredible and since starting again only 13 months ago I am getting so much better and I think part of that is because my Bernie Marsden SE is so fookin perfect

dogsbrekky
02-14-2014, 03:12 PM
BTW I play 11s - 46s

dogsbrekky
02-14-2014, 03:14 PM
BTW................................ selling a Bernie Marsden SE is like selling a 1970s Rolls Royce... YOU JUST DO NOT DO IT EVER

Mikegarveyblues
02-14-2014, 11:58 PM
Greetings all, my first post here. Love the look of the BM and have the opportunity to buy a mint one for £350. I wondered if anyone has had any problems with intonation on theirs? I've never owned an electric with a non-adjustable bridge and have read of a few possible issues with these. Thanks for any comments and opinions.

Did you get it?

Love to see some pics when you do. You won't have any issues with 9's or 10's with that bridge.

Edit... or 11's! ;)

Mikegarveyblues
02-15-2014, 12:01 AM
BTW................................ selling a Bernie Marsden SE is like selling a 1970s Rolls Royce... YOU JUST DO NOT DO IT EVER

Indeed... I have sold guitars in the past, even one's I really liked but the Bernie (And my Strat) are keepers even if I wind up buying more expensive ones I play. They simply aren't 'ok' guitars. The Bernie doesn't feel like a 'stepping stone' to the next thing. it's a great guitar in it's own right and feels and sounds great. I just can't imagine not enjoying playing it for many years to come.

Now off too touch some wood that I don't desperately need the cash!

Harmonious
02-17-2014, 05:15 AM
Did you get it?

Love to see some pics when you do. You won't have any issues with 9's or 10's with that bridge.

Edit... or 11's! ;)

Hi everybody...yes, picked it up yesterday. Very happy to be a new PRS owner :proud: Will post some pics soon. I'm thinking of putting some nickel covers on the pups. Can someone tell me if this is an easy mod for a totally inexperienced "luthier"? Despite playing for 30 years, my experience with guitar mods and maintenance amounts to changing strings!

bricel24
02-17-2014, 03:28 PM
Recent SE Bernie Marsden owner here checking in. Best PRS SE guitar I've owned, after going through a few Santana SEs and Tremonti SEs over the last few years. This Marsden is a keeper for sure. Only issue I had, as many people have stated, was the nut. However my local tech recommended to adjust/shave the slots first before replacing it, and he was right. Plays even better now.

Bought it off a local GC on Clearance for $379. Brand new. Sue me :wink:

Mikegarveyblues
02-17-2014, 06:14 PM
Hi everybody...yes, picked it up yesterday. Very happy to be a new PRS owner :proud: Will post some pics soon. I'm thinking of putting some nickel covers on the pups. Can someone tell me if this is an easy mod for a totally inexperienced "luthier"? Despite playing for 30 years, my experience with guitar mods and maintenance amounts to changing strings!

I was going to do that with the original pups but decided I wanted a different voice for the bridge pup at least. If I ever get another one (And what's wrong with a pair of Bernie's?) then I'll keep the original 245 pups and throw some nickel covers on. I don't think it's too hard as there's plenty vids on the subject on Y'tube and i'm sure there's some folks here that have done it. It isn't a case of just putting them on top though as you'll discover. You'll need a 50mm cover for the neck and a 52mm cover for the bridge. The 52mm can be hard to source but I think Gibson do them for some reason. Hopefully, someone can confirm that and some of the other finer details. Totally do-able though.


Recent SE Bernie Marsden owner here checking in. Best PRS SE guitar I've owned, after going through a few Santana SEs and Tremonti SEs over the last few years. This Marsden is a keeper for sure. Only issue I had, as many people have stated, was the nut. However my local tech recommended to adjust/shave the slots first before replacing it, and he was right. Plays even better now.

Bought it off a local GC on Clearance for $379. Brand new. Sue me :wink:

Congrats and welcome to the Bernie Club!

Some of you are getting absolute steals!

GS1
02-18-2014, 04:55 AM
Recent SE Bernie Marsden owner here checking in. Best PRS SE guitar I've owned, after going through a few Santana SEs and Tremonti SEs over the last few years. This Marsden is a keeper for sure. Only issue I had, as many people have stated, was the nut. However my local tech recommended to adjust/shave the slots first before replacing it, and he was right. Plays even better now.

Bought it off a local GC on Clearance for $379. Brand new. Sue me :wink:
Man, you beat me by $20! I wonder why GC is blowing them out so cheap? Any rumors of an updated model coming?

Harmonious
02-18-2014, 10:05 AM
Did you get it?

Love to see some pics when you do. You won't have any issues with 9's or 10's with that bridge.

Edit... or 11's! ;)

Here it is. I was trying to capture the flame of the top which looks really quilted, but unfortunately the photos don't do it justice. Very sweet guitar though. I paid £340 in the end, with the original SE gig bag, so I think I got a good deal.

http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee44/Zhukov_2007/image-2.jpg (http://s228.photobucket.com/user/Zhukov_2007/media/image-2.jpg.html)

http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee44/Zhukov_2007/image-1.jpg (http://s228.photobucket.com/user/Zhukov_2007/media/image-1.jpg.html)

http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee44/Zhukov_2007/image.jpg (http://s228.photobucket.com/user/Zhukov_2007/media/image.jpg.html)

bricel24
02-18-2014, 10:37 AM
Man, you beat me by $20! I wonder why GC is blowing them out so cheap? Any rumors of an updated model coming?
Actually, the tag on it was $399, but the guy quoted me $379 over the phone when I called after I saw it earlier in the day so he honored that when I came back in to pay for it. :)

I don't think there will be an updated BM model, aside from the Limited Edition that came out after the regular SE BM. Guitar Center is just really good in pushing old stock by dropping prices like crazy, and suckers like me fall for 'em almost every time -- like a PRS SE20 combo I had them set aside for me last week that was on blowout as well for $349 :wave:

Mikegarveyblues
02-18-2014, 06:19 PM
Man, you beat me by $20! I wonder why GC is blowing them out so cheap? Any rumors of an updated model coming?

Not sure about an updated SE. There are some black ones floating around the US which look sweet. Love to see some other colours but... there is this if you have deep pockets:

http://prsguitars.com/forum/showthread.php?8204-US-(Poss-Private-Stock)-Bernie-Marsden-In-The-Works-(How-Did-I-Miss-This)-Any-news

Skip to 3:20 in the vid in that thread.

Mikegarveyblues
02-18-2014, 06:21 PM
Here it is. I was trying to capture the flame of the top which looks really quilted, but unfortunately the photos don't do it justice. Very sweet guitar though. I paid £340 in the end, with the original SE gig bag, so I think I got a good deal.

http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee44/Zhukov_2007/image-2.jpg (http://s228.photobucket.com/user/Zhukov_2007/media/image-2.jpg.html)

http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee44/Zhukov_2007/image-1.jpg (http://s228.photobucket.com/user/Zhukov_2007/media/image-1.jpg.html)

http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee44/Zhukov_2007/image.jpg (http://s228.photobucket.com/user/Zhukov_2007/media/image.jpg.html)

Great looking Bernie! They all have great tops!

dogsbrekky
02-19-2014, 09:53 AM
$369 for a BM SE.. that is theft mate


good job

I love my guitar.... the only other thing that I love as much is my Strat with V/N Pups... but the Bernie kills that for sustain and playability IMHO

Harmonious
02-19-2014, 10:00 AM
I was going to do that with the original pups but decided I wanted a different voice for the bridge pup at least. If I ever get another one (And what's wrong with a pair of Bernie's?) then I'll keep the original 245 pups and throw some nickel covers on. I don't think it's too hard as there's plenty vids on the subject on Y'tube and i'm sure there's some folks here that have done it. It isn't a case of just putting them on top though as you'll discover. You'll need a 50mm cover for the neck and a 52mm cover for the bridge. The 52mm can be hard to source but I think Gibson do them for some reason. Hopefully, someone can confirm that and some of the other finer details. Totally do-able though.



Did you coil tap the Mules? I'm thinking of having them installed with that mod. Reckon it would then be pretty close to the 53/10 limited edition.

Mikegarveyblues
02-22-2014, 03:28 PM
Did you coil tap the Mules? I'm thinking of having them installed with that mod. Reckon it would then be pretty close to the 53/10 limited edition.

I haven't yet. I got the 4 conductor pups with a view to different wiring mods but I'm liking it just straight up. I've got the Strat for the single coil tones but I wouldn't mind some out of phase sounds at some point.

Harmonious
02-27-2014, 04:33 AM
Quick query about the wiring as mine seems a bit strange....with the pickup selector in the middle position, completely turning down either volume control totally mutes the guitar. If, for example, I lower the bridge volume control, it initially gives the neck pickup a bit more bite, but lowering it all the way totally cuts the sound. I would expect lowering one volume completely to just leave the other pickup functional when in the middle position. Is mine wired correctly? Thanks.

ADP
02-27-2014, 05:37 AM
That's exactly the way it works when you have a two-volume guitar. All DGTs are the same.

Mikegarveyblues
02-27-2014, 05:17 PM
+1

That's normal behaviour.

Chuckblues
03-15-2014, 03:26 PM
http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j322/chuckblues/IMG_1108_zps2eb72883.jpg (http://s1080.photobucket.com/user/chuckblues/media/IMG_1108_zps2eb72883.jpg.html)Here's my modded Bernie ! It has Bare Knuckle Mules for that vintage tone ! It's my favorite PRS at the moment ,just ahead of my S2 Mira !http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j322/chuckblues/IMG_1116_zpsf1acbe4f.jpg (http://s1080.photobucket.com/user/chuckblues/media/IMG_1116_zpsf1acbe4f.jpg.html)

DougF
03-17-2014, 03:07 PM
I got the new Berne Marsden about a week ago, for some reason I liked the black better so I went with that. It is quickly becoming my go to axe. I play in an alternative country band that is leaning more towards rock and roll so it is starting to come in real handy. The fit and finish are excellent, the guitar feels real solid. I love the beefy neck. Most reviewers are right about the neck pup being great but the bridge one being just so-so. I'll be looking to replace the nut with a Tusq one, if I can find exactly which one I'm supposed to get. I also want to replace the bride and mounting studs, again I need to find exactly which one would be a direct replacement. I was thinking a Seth Lover 55 or a Pearly Gates for the bridge pickup, which is two conductor, right? I'm still looking around to find the exact specs for the parts of this guitar. All in all, it is a great axe, especially for the money. I've tried several times to post pictures of the guitar in this reply, but I am unable to find an attach photo icon and my profile says I am unable to post attachments?

MichaGuitar
06-08-2014, 09:50 AM
Hi out there,
i just came across the prs forum and am very glad to find a lot of "Bernie-Marsden-SE"-Fans out there!
I think it“s one of the best guitars you can get in the mid price range, and with the Bernie there“s even no need to spend more. You get a full, fat, warm sounding wonderful looking beauty with tons of nice tone!
I bought mine in june 2012 and made very little changes on it. The b-string always turned sharp or flat after a while so I contacted the prs europe customer service. These guys were really kind and sent me two new original prs usa black nuts. After changing the nut there where no further problems. Anyway I put some Schaller vintage locking tuners on it. I like the sound of the 245“stock PU“s although I sometimes think they could be a bit hotter; but they“re really sweet and creamy (and for more dirt I like to use my trusty MXR GT-OD).
Mine was very comfortably to play right out of the box. In some posts I read about "super low" action without buzz or "very low settigs". I“ve measured mine and would be glad if someone in the "World-Wide-Bernie-SE-Family" would like to share his or hers settings with me. On my Bernie the relief is about 0,2 mm (8th fret), the action 1,35mm on the high e“and 1,5mm on the low E.

Hope, I will manage to upload some pictures:
d:\Hardesby Home Records\Gear\PRS SE Bernie Marsden 02.jpg

d:\Hardesby Home Records\Gear\PRS SE Bernie Marsden 03.jpg

With lots of greetings to the "BernieSE-Family" out there
Micha

Mikegarveyblues
06-08-2014, 04:46 PM
Hi Micha (And Doug F!), welcome to the forum and the Bernie Club!

The Marsden is a great guitar isn't it?!

made a few changes to mine the past couple of years including Bare Knuckle Mule pups (Replaced the bridge with a Suhr Doug Aldrich). Tusq nut. New pots and cap. New Knobs. Still messing with the bridge... have locking studs but I'm not convinced by them as there's still some lean in the bridge so I may just get some washers and use them with the stock studs. May replace the tuners one day but they work just fine.

Love mine!

Can't remember the set up of mine off the top of my head... I think it's pretty darn close to PRS's factory specs so I'll try and find them later.

To post your pics you'll need to upload them to a photo sharing site such as Photobucket or Flickr and then post the links into those IMG tags. Love to see your Bernie!

https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7272/7770877940_4c1af0c578_h.jpg

https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8420/8954973654_0977c0e9b9_h.jpg

https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7351/8954995598_da3a690b0f_h.jpg

https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5442/8954915696_d16cee0593_h.jpg

https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8427/7717468224_5b95fc660d_h.jpg

JStarr
06-08-2014, 09:49 PM
Gotta love the Bernie. I'm not sure if there's a better guitar for the price on the market... at least at what I paid for mine ($450 new).

http://i344.photobucket.com/albums/p350/jtelecaster62/Mobile%20Uploads/a6b9f4e6-4a41-4306-a7d4-87e1782d9758_zps2f25734d.jpg

MichaGuitar
06-09-2014, 04:58 AM
Hi Mike,
thank you very much for the nice and warm welcome in the Bernie-Forum!
I“ve struggled around with trying to get the photos posted, so that my Bernie can wave / shake hands with yours and the other ones, but ist does“nt seem to work.
So far I“ve tried Onedrive and picasa as sharing site, but all I get is a strange icon, showig a broken datasheet or an embedded link that leads to nowhere...

https://plus.google.com/u/0/photos?pid=6022835690244916274&oid=102051973357710222490

<iframe src="https://onedrive.live.com/embed?cid=DA2BEFA7DA0692C3&resid=DA2BEFA7DA0692C3%211034&authkey=AGyPjtWdGuS92AE" width="240" height="320" frameborder="0" scrolling="no"></iframe>

Maybe these links to Onedrive could do:

http://1drv.ms/1kVxiM0
http://1drv.ms/1ifyK7I

By the way, I just realized, that it was you to put me on the trace, that the Bernie Marsden SE might be the guitar I was looking for when I was on the "Quest For Tone" in 2012.... It was by your demo and review on youtube that I first heard of this beautiful guitar! So thank you again!

P.S. Very nice pictures of your Bernie!

Raymond
06-09-2014, 05:32 AM
Quick query about the wiring as mine seems a bit strange....with the pickup selector in the middle position, completely turning down either volume control totally mutes the guitar. If, for example, I lower the bridge volume control, it initially gives the neck pickup a bit more bite, but lowering it all the way totally cuts the sound. I would expect lowering one volume completely to just leave the other pickup functional when in the middle position. Is mine wired correctly? Thanks.

I thought that too when I got my Stripped 58…similar controls and I thought the wiring had a problem so now I just leave everything on max to begin with. Turn it down if needs be as opposed to turn it up. If I want to turn it one then just flip the switch to that humbucker in order to mute the other one.

NomadMike
06-09-2014, 05:44 AM
That's a feature I've used for a long time on my LPs as you can get a very cool horn like sound by having the bridge pickup on full and the neck pickup off and then rolling the neck pickup volume from 0 to 2. This turns the bridge pickup on and off .

Raymond
06-09-2014, 05:54 AM
I haven't played with it fully and I am at work right now but It seems if they are both at zero, toggle at middle position, hit the strings and then turn the volume up, nothing happens?

GS1
06-09-2014, 07:16 AM
Hi Mike,

I“ve struggled around with trying to get the photos posted, so that my Bernie can wave / shake hands with yours and the other ones, but ist does“nt seem to work.
So far I“ve tried Onedrive and picasa as sharing site, but all I get is a strange icon, showig a broken datasheet or an embedded link that leads to nowhere...

https://plus.google.com/u/0/photos?pid=6022835690244916274&oid=102051973357710222490


Welcome to the Bernie club! I had problems with photos as well. I joined Photobucket, but I couldn't get the photos to link using my work computer, but was able to on a different computer that wasn't connected to our network.

Mikegarveyblues
06-09-2014, 09:23 AM
Hey Micha... Great looking Bernie!!! It's got a really bold flame on it... Seriously cool top!

Flickr is a good one... I just select the size I want and right click on it and select properties and highlight then copy and paste the address (URL) which should end in '.jpg'.

I think there is a w way to embed photos from Onedrive... Think there's a button that comes up called Embed and you need to choose 'generate' to create the link... It's been a while since I used it.

No worries... I can see your Bernie and it's a good one! ;)

NomadMike
06-09-2014, 09:52 AM
I haven't played with it fully and I am at work right now but It seems if they are both at zero, toggle at middle position, hit the strings and then turn the volume up, nothing happens?

That's normal, if either of the volumes are at zero it cuts off both volumes.

Raymond
06-09-2014, 09:53 AM
Cool, because it's a long way to send it back for me!

I want to go home now to play!