This is the first time anyone has ever asked me to say more. LOL! Never happens. But I digress...
Originally Posted by ]-[ @ n $ 0 |v| a T ! ©
Loved the semi hollow. Loved the pickups. Loved the fingerboard and headstock materials (though hand signed would be weird on ebony IMHO, it should be inlaid but wouldn't be a deal breaker). Loved the option to not have piezo. Dig the body style. Don't care about the neck material either way. Don't care about the direction the birds fly.
But big love for the semi hollow idea, and I think the Starla pickups would be awesome, too. Loved the scale length.
In fact, this is the kind of guitar I would love to own. This is different enough to warrant putting another guitar in the studio. PRS does a GREAT job with the semi-hollow models.
I was reluctantly on board before. But this was a great idea.
:rofl: So far we got nuttin" and I'm pretty sure you can get that at the Experience, with some self-restraint.
Originally Posted by WEDGE
Spot on. And you know I've been GAS'N bad for a Custom 22 Semi-Hollow Limited. Would love to see it as an option.
Originally Posted by LSchefman
Here's a crazy idea...many seem to like the 408's (I sure do), but are worried about the non-standard size. We know they can make 408's either bigger or smaller than a standard pickup...what about a set of 408's (with the extra windings engaged in single coil mode) in a standard sized pickup? That would combine three concepts...one of the most popular pickups, the versatility to change and something unique to the forum guitar.
I liked rev 1, rev 2, and the tweek to rev 2. I think I, and most of the folks that can buy one, would be up for lots of things if it's not too pricey, and is unique. Can we get a poll together that has these and other versions listed and see if we can get more than 30 to agree in principle, and then try to negociate the particulars until we reach the model that gets accepted?
Originally Posted by ]-[ @ n $ 0 |v| a T ! ©
I liked rev2.
24.5 is the Santana scale so I don't feel it is off course. Semi hollow is nice - I like the one I have (so will jfb when he comes to visit it).
If it goes to rev3 I most want to keep the neck and fingerboard.
That rev2 really caught my attention....awesome specs. The revised one I dig as well as I love the 25inch scale. It isn't the end of the world if Hans makes a "REV #3".....there really isn't any rush and we can always vote on final revisions anyway.
I'm sure I will. Brent will be taking receipt of a guitar or two very soon so...trip time.
Originally Posted by veinbuster
I'm just going to throw this out there, and it's just my opinion, and we know what that's probably worth lol
But wouldn't this be a bit more accessible if we went with something based on a current SE model? I know I'll probably get flamed by some of the Maryland purists, and that's fine (trust me, I wish I had that kind of money to spend on a guitar), but I think something a bit less expensive, say, in the 600-800 range would attract a wider audience based on price alone.
I currently own an SE custom in Tobacco Burst, it's absolutely gorgeous besides the zebra pickups (hate them), and it sounds very nice. So I've been thinking about what we could to to an SE to make it "special" for a forum guitar:
Looking at the polls, it looks like people want a double-cut, ebony fretboard, with a black rectangular case.
So why not a CU24 or Santana body, in a color not currently offered on either of those models, say flame red or black gold, etc. Then add the winning TRC design, Pauls sig on the headstock, and bird inlays that match the body color (sure the inlays would have to be a less expensive material, we can't expect something like red coral on an SE)
We would still have to make a decision on pups, trem/hardtail, control scheme, etc. , but at the very least we would end up with a unique guitar that looks and sounds great and wouldn't cost a fortune.
If we wanted to get crazy, maybe a quilted veneer top instead of the standard flame veneer? I'm not a woodworker, so I don't know if this is possible, but it would be very unique to the model.
Hell, just sitting here typing these random thoughts got me to thinking what my current custom 24 would look like in flame red with a quilted top, ebony fretboard, red birds, black knobs with nickel or even gold hardware....or maybe a double-cut variation of the SE 245 soapy, with maybe a 25" scale instead of 24.5
Enough of my random thoughts...back to the discussion
I was thinking of a similar idea. The price poll picked up 11 more people in the 1-1.5k range. 30 or so SEs could probably be had from a helpful dealer at a good price, and modded with "Forum" mods at the PTC. Also since it's PTC, those who had deal breakers on pu's and other items could have theirs further customized. But I'm just talking out my @zz because I don't know if PTC would be willing to take on the project, and what would make a "Forum" package, etc.
Whatever everybody comes up with, I plan to do my best to be part of. Rev1,2, 3, or 300.
I really liked rev 2 and the semi hollow body. It's different without being too different. I'm willing to go either way on the scale length. While I'm not sure about the Starla pickups, I could always swap them out later. Depending on the price, I'd like to add a forum guitar to my collection (which my wife thinks is already too large).
My opinion is that is if we go "too inexpensive" a la an SE made to a price point of under $1K....while it would bring in a lot more people...it would take away the "cache" of a Forum PRS. It would resemble more of a "low cost entry level guitar" vs. a guitar that was designed with the input of the most die-hard fans and designated for those that spent a lot of time suggesting the specs and spent time on the forum developing the concept.
I'm not saying that an SE and the time spent desiging and developing the concept are mutually exclusive. Rather, I am saying that the time involved in developing this would appear to "deserve" a USA made model that no one felt was a compromise in overall quality.
The SE already represents a low cost entry line, and I would not want to see the forum guitar "de-evolve" to that level, despite my admiration for a quality guitar that is affordable.
Rev. 2 for me...with some latitude for individual tweaks. And a USA model would be a requirement.
Hans - I have a request -
Can you edit the OP and add the Rev 1 and the Rev 2 (and Rev 3 as it gets tweaked) to the OP please? - It would save a lot of searching....
As for timing, I can't do anything this year on a new guitar. I have a wedding to pay for (my own!) and some other debt to settle. A target date of somewhere in the Summer or Fall of 2014 would be better for me and it might give others some time to put some money away.
Besides - look at how long it takes a company internally to spec a new model and the time frame looks more reasonable given that there are so many more on this particular committee....
Congratulations on a pending wedding Bill! :top: I'm paying for my own daughter's wedding in November :eek:....when are you getting hitched?
And you mean to say that she's staying with you even after you explained to her the physics of natural harmonics???? :dontknow:
I'm onboard for Rev 2... Love the piezo option!
Hans - just to be clear, the only reason I wasn't keen on Rev 2 is the pickups. And I really like the Starla pickups. One of the most intriguing things about Rev 1 was that it had a pair of small 408s. Also, I'm very curious about the chaltecoco neck. . All the other specs about Rev 1 were good but the Rev 2 specs are even better.
The more I think about it, I could be up for Rev 2 because I have a set of 53/10s that I think would be stellar in FG22 and I would like the Starlas for my HB II. So I guess I'm saying that I'm in for Rev 2. I'm neutral about the F-hole, semi-hollow, scale length. The one spec I'd really like to stick with is the matte/satin finish on the neck.
Model Name: FG2013
Base Model: DC22 (22-fret Santana)
Body: Solid, 1-piece Mahogany (No maple cap)
Neck: Firewood (AKA Chaltecoco)
Fretboard: Dark Ebony (polished) with 10 degree radius
Frets: DGT fretwire with hidden fret tangs
Headstock Design: Hand-signed by Paul (in gold metallic) under nitro finish
Truss Rod Cover: Official Forum TRC
Tuners: Phase 3 with ivoroid (cream) buttons to match cream pup rings
Inlay: Birds flying toward headstock in MOP & Paua Heart
Pickups: Prototype \m/ Humbuckers (Info)
Control Layout: DC22
Finish: Raw or matte nitro on neck, thin glossy nitro on body
Case: Silhouette (small), like Hollowbody case, in black tolex (Black Paisley is WAY too expensive)
Certificate: Signed by all PRS employees (Like the holiday card)
1) Color: Natural (Clear), Goldtop with Vintage Mahogany back, Charcoal, *Pearl White, Seafoam Green
*Metal Model pinstripes in choice of pinstripe color (Extra $$$)
2) Neck Carve: Santana, Pattern Regular, Pattern Thin
3) Bridge: Regular Tremolo or 2-piece PRS stoptail (no Piezo option)
Dealer: Your usual PRS pusher
Definitely like this. Only thing that would make it better for me is more color options.
Originally Posted by JustRob
Hans is a DC22 body the standard prs body? And what is the DC22 control layout.....forgive my ignorance....
ps.......put a maple cap on this one and it sounds killer.........without the maple cap it sounds killer.............best version yet.....