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    Are The Acoustics Still Available With A Carbon Neck?

    I played the roadshow Angelus and loved it. Since that the only one I've played, I have to have the carbon and nothing else will do. No carbon, no Angelus for me.

    P.S. A little about me. I've wanted a PRS since '86. Didn't like them at first, but they grew on me. I didn't get my first till three years ago(20th Anni Std w/Birds/59/09's/"210" mod). The second(Std 22 w/Birds/58/08's/Sweet Switch). I'm trying to find an R'Wood to place my set of 53/10's.

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    Hi Tabl10s

    The Private Stock acoustics are still available with the graphite rod insert in the neck. Production models have now moved to 100% steel truss rods, but PS models still have the graphite option.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shawn@PRS View Post
    Hi Tabl10s

    The Private Stock acoustics are still available with the graphite rod insert in the neck. Production models have now moved to 100% steel truss rods, but PS models still have the graphite option.
    Any difference in tone?

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    Quote Originally Posted by tabl10s View Post
    Any difference in tone?
    I had a great talk with Mike Byle on Thursday and this question came up. The short answer is "no".

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    I had a great talk with Mike Byle on Thursday and this question came up. The short answer is "no".
    I thought about this when ordering my maple body Tonare. Ultimately, I decided on the graphite. My experience with this formula has been so positive that I wouldn't change it.

    I've heard that Paul feels there is a sonic difference; but it wouldn't surprise me if the difference is very small indeed.

    Still, with a standard truss rod, you have essentially a long rectangular metal box with a long metal bolt in it to do the adjusting, going the length of the neck. This is not one piece, the bolt has to be able to move in order to function.

    And with the graphite, you have a single, solid material along the length of the neck. Playing a guitar, you can feel the neck vibrating, so these materials are going to vibrate along with the neck, and thereby contribute something, however small, to the resulting tone of the guitar.

    Every acoustic guitar sounds different; no two wooden guitars are identical, so it's obviously difficult to compare. Mike makes them, so lots of guitars pass through his hands, and if he says there's really not a difference, I believe him to the extent that the differences are probably so small that it's more like the kind of variety you get with two different pieces of wood. To my ear, however, those small differences can be important.

    So I'm hedging my bet and going with graphite.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daniel View Post
    I had a great talk with Mike Byle on Thursday and this question came up. The short answer is "no".
    I'm curious what the "long" answer is?!? I mean.....there simply must have been a sonic reason PRS decided to use the carbon neck in the first place yes?. All things being sonically equal there would then be absolutely no logical reason to incorporate a non adjustable neck if an adjustable neck was it's equal in sound. What possibly would have then been the reason if not sonics?

    I sense some marketing back peddling. That's cool I guess but uncomfortable for those of us who genuinely believed Paul when he said the carbon necks are indeed sonically superior.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joseph Hanna View Post
    I'm curious what the "long" answer is?!? I mean.....there simply must have been a sonic reason PRS decided to use the carbon neck in the first place yes?. All things being sonically equal there would then be absolutely no logical reason to incorporate a non adjustable neck if an adjustable neck was it's equal in sound. What possibly would have then been the reason if not sonics?

    I sense some marketing back peddling. That's cool I guess but uncomfortable for those of us who genuinely believed Paul when he said the carbon necks are indeed sonically superior.
    I believe Paul still thinks they are superior, but other people have said they couldn't hear a difference. I remember Shawn reiterating that Paul still thinks the graphite is better, in an earlier thread, but stating that he couldn't hear a difference.

    I do remember a video where Paul was demonstrating the nice tones he got tapping the raw wood pieces and the graphite as well. I honestly love the graphite.

    But I don't really see it as back-pedaling; PRS made it clear that they were answering to player demand for the adjustable rod.

    To my way of thinking, there's a reason graphite remains the standard on the signature models. I'm glad they kept it an option on PS models as well. I guess ultimately, they're about making the customers happy, so more power to them for that. If I could have had my way, maple bodies and graphite would be optional on standard US models, but oh well...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shawn@PRS View Post
    Hi Tabl10s

    The Private Stock acoustics are still available with the graphite rod insert in the neck. Production models have now moved to 100% steel truss rods, but PS models still have the graphite option.
    When did the move from graphite to adjustable on the production models happen?

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    I don't know if it's the graphite neck, but my Tonare is the most stable guitar I've ever owned. I literally don't have to tune the guitar.


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    Quote Originally Posted by JMintzer View Post
    I don't know if it's the graphite neck, but my Tonare is the most stable guitar I've ever owned. I literally don't have to tune the guitar.


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    I ordered the first PS acoustic with the adjustible steel rod. Since then, I've ordered several more. The problem with a non-adjustible is that we don't all like the same set-up. I want to be able to change mine. PRS acoustics are amazing guitars (best acoustics I've ever owned).
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    Quote Originally Posted by 11top View Post
    I ordered the first PS acoustic with the adjustible steel rod. Since then, I've ordered several more. The problem with a non-adjustible is that we don't all like the same set-up. I want to be able to change mine. PRS acoustics are amazing guitars (best acoustics I've ever owned).
    So it's all your fault!

    To me, it should be optional, one way or the other.

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    To be honest, that's the first I've ever heard about "Martin and Collings" (who not make great acoustics, obviously) guys dissing the Angelus. Not to say it isn't true, but I'm sure you or I, as participants on an Internet forum, are way more aware of the "chatter" than is Paul or most guys building guitars.

    Some people *need* an adjustable truss rod in their guitar to consider it. I understand that. Having no knowledge of...or say... in that world of decision making, I don't know whether or not that's why adjustable truss rods are offered now. I get the impression Paul prefers a carbon rod. Paul is also a human being and musician with his preferences. He's also more tuned into that stuff than your average joe, as that's his world and his expertise.

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    there are two new Angelus Customs in the shop I go too and neither had a truss rod. They have only been in stock for a short time. I looked for adjustment and they told me at store the models that have truss rod wil have a truss rod cover at head stock. One I played had a pick up in it. TWO 9 volt batteries are attached to the neck block in the guitar. NO evidence of any truss rod on the guitar so I am assuming they still are making some with Carbon fiber in the necks.

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    I've had my Martin D35 for 37 years. It has no truss rod and has never given me any issues. Frankly, a well built neck doesn't need an adjustible truss rod, imo.
    On the other hand, I've heard of players ruining their guitars by making improper adjustments to their truss rods..
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