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    I know this is a dumb question

    I have a Vox Lil' Night Train head with matching 1x10 cab. I want to upgrade to a 12" cab and found a used Tuxedo 112 cab for the same price as the Vox 112 new. The Tuxedo is 60w and the Vox is 25w so was wondering if I should go with the Vox since the head is only 2w? I also thought the Tuxedo might be better to get so i could eventually get the matching head for it..

    Sorry for the dumb question, but I'm new to the world of tube amps.

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    I vote for the Vox
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    Quote Originally Posted by markie View Post
    I vote for the Vox
    Markie always wears matching socks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by markie View Post
    I vote for the Vox
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    Markie always wears matching socks.
    And Steve once had the chicken pox.
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    Quote Originally Posted by markie View Post
    I vote for the Vox
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    Markie always wears matching socks.
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    And Steve once had the chicken pox.
    The Vox comes in a nice box.

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    The only thing that is dumb about the question is that the PRS Amps sub-forum is not the place to discuss Vox amps. The sub-forum description is "Discuss PRS Amplifiers, CAD Amplifiers, and PRS SE Amplifiers."

    I know that we are all trying to get used to the constrained nature of the official PRS Forum. However, we have to remember that the official PRS Forum is not a general PRS community forum. PRS is footing the bill for what is effectively an extension of the company's marketing department. A better place to ask non-PRS amp-related questions is Vintage Rocker. Many of the members this forum are also members of Vintage Rocker. Out of respect for PRS, I have refrained from answering non-PRS amp-related questions in this sub-forum. I will gladly answer these types of questions over on Vintage Rocker.

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    I love the sound of a Vintage AC15. LOVE it.

    I am told (by Junior Clark) that the CAD guys have a Voxy/Chimey mod for their amps that might be worth looking into.

    Markie has a sweet little Vox (set-up at his place) and it got a workout while I was there last month!

    Oh... and no forum police, please. If something crosses the line, we'll handle it.
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    PRS "30" amp with Vox mod

    Quote Originally Posted by ]-[ @ n $ 0 |v| a T ! View Post
    I love the sound of a Vintage AC15. LOVE it.

    I am told (by Junior Clark) that the CAD guys have a Voxy/Chimey mod for their amps that might be worth looking into.

    Markie has a sweet little Vox (set-up at his place) and it got a workout while I was there last month!

    Oh... and no forum police, please. If something crosses the line, we'll handle it.
    I have one of the amps that you mentioned. Doug modded the "30" amp head I had in stock. This mod puts it in that AC-30 territory. Very cool amp tones.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ]-[ @ n $ 0 |v| a T ! View Post
    Oh... and no forum police, please. If something crosses the line, we'll handle it.
    I have no desire whatsoever to be a forum policeman. However, unless I am way out of line, this forum was created specifically to share information about PRS manufactured gear. I doubt that the mods would allow people to post non-PRS guitar-related threads in the PRS guitars sub-forum for long without stepping in. That same courtesy needs to be extended to amps now that PRS is in the amp business. If the mods and PRS management feel that discussing non-PRS gear on the forum is okay (versus threads where non-PRS gear is compared to PRS gear), then there should be a general amps sub-forum in addition to the PRS amps sub-forum. This sub-forum is supposed to be the place to discuss PRS amps.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Em7 View Post
    I have no desire whatsoever to be a forum policeman. However, unless I am way out of line, this forum was created specifically to share information about PRS manufactured gear. I doubt that the mods would allow people to post non-PRS guitar-related threads in the PRS guitars sub-forum for long without stepping in. That same courtesy needs to be extended to amps now that PRS is in the amp business. If the mods and PRS management feel that discussing non-PRS gear on the forum is okay (versus threads where non-PRS gear is compared to PRS gear), then there should be a general amps sub-forum in addition to the PRS amps sub-forum. This sub-forum is supposed to be the place to discuss PRS amps.
    Mark....Hans is a moderator. I would make the tacit assumption that you have been given virtually carte-blanch to discuss competitor's models and non-PRS related gear information. Mods....employees...please correct me if I'm out of line.

    After all..anything stated officially that will result in increased posts from Mark is only going to increase our gear IQ in the final analysis.

    That being said...I do agree that adding a few sections to this forum would be a great idea. Gives the members added incentive to discuss related issues.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Em7 View Post
    If the mods and PRS management feel that discussing non-PRS gear on the forum is okay (versus threads where non-PRS gear is compared to PRS gear), then there should be a general amps sub-forum in addition to the PRS amps sub-forum.
    Thank you for your input.

    Quote Originally Posted by Em7 View Post
    This sub-forum is supposed to be the place to discuss PRS amps.
    True. But the OP's question was really more of a request for comparative analysis and worthy of a thoughtful response. Telling him his question was "dumb" for posting in this area was a bit harsh.

    Yes, the "intent" of this forum is certainly focused on PRS and PRS products, but community is also at the heart of things. I agree that there should be some degree of courtesy, as you put it, but to require everyone to be so binary, so linear, in their thought process leaves little room to be a real person.

    There is a balance to all of this and there isn't always a hard-line or strict formula. If you want to talk about the finer points of the new hand-wired AC15, this probably isn't the forum. But if you want to discuss how that amp compares with the PRS line up (CAD or production), then bring it up. No one should be afraid to ask the question either way. Let's not sell fear or ask people to walk on rice paper. That's a chumps game.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ]-[ @ n $ 0 |v| a T ! View Post
    True. But the OP's question was really more of a request for comparative analysis and worthy of a thoughtful response. Telling him his question was "dumb" for posting in this area was a bit harsh.

    Yes, the "intent" of this forum is certainly focused on PRS and PRS products, but community is also at the heart of things. I agree that there should be some degree of courtesy, as you put it, but to require everyone to be so binary, so linear, in their thought process leaves little room to be a real person.

    There is a balance to all of this and there isn't always a hard-line or strict formula. If you want to talk about the finer points of the new hand-wired AC15, this probably isn't the forum. But if you want to discuss how that amp compares with the PRS line up (CAD or production), then bring it up. No one should be afraid to ask the question either way. Let's not sell fear or ask people to walk on rice paper. That's a chumps game.
    I agree with everything you said. However, the OP did not inquire as to how any of the Vox amps that he mentioned compared to a PRS amp. He merely asked for a comparative analysis of products that have nothing to do with PRS in a sub-form with the description "Discuss PRS Amplifiers, CAD Amplifiers and PRS SE Amplifiers."

    As I mentioned earlier, if those types of questions are okay with the mods and PRS management, then there needs to be general amps sub-forum (or the sub-forum description needs to be changed). There also needs to be a general guitars sub-forum for people who like PRS amps, but prefer guitars that are manufactured by other companies.

    In the end, no one should feel like they to have to walk on rice paper. However, all manufacturer-supported forums come with a large roll of the stuff. That's why I refrain from discussing any non-PRS gear unless it's in the context of a comparative analysis with a piece of PRS of gear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Em7 View Post
    In the end, no one should feel like they to have to walk on rice paper.
    Exactly. So I take exception to you telling another member that he was "dumb" for posting his question.

    Quote Originally Posted by Em7 View Post
    However, all manufacturer-supported forums come with a large roll of the stuff.
    Ironic. The the only rice paper being laid out right now is coming from you. Is there another agenda at play? Is this one of those "if you say it enough, people will believe it" plans?

    Quote Originally Posted by Em7 View Post
    That's why I refrain from discussing any non-PRS gear unless it's in the context of a comparative analysis with a piece of PRS of gear.
    if that works for you, fine.

    Let me say once more... if someone crosses a line, we (the moderating staff) will address it. Politely. That's why we're here. You don't have to worry about anyone but yourself.

    More to the point... please don't call a member on the carpet for mentioning a non-PRS product and then try to spin things like no one is allowed to mention non-PRS products. ESPECIALLY after the mods say its cool (in context). Sure, we've all farted at the table and blamed the dog, but it's a little hard to sell when you're the only one sitting there.
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    I asked opinions whether or not I should go with the Vox or PRS cab. I figured since this is the PRS amp section and my question was regarding a PRS amp cabinet I thought it was ok. Didn't mean to stir up a bunch of crap.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris528 View Post
    I asked opinions whether or not I should go with the Vox or PRS cab. I figured since this is the PRS amp section and my question was regarding a PRS amp cabinet I thought it was ok. Didn't mean to stir up a bunch of crap.
    Really, you're fine. You didn't do anything wrong. This discussion was based on a response to your request.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris528 View Post
    I asked opinions whether or not I should go with the Vox or PRS cab. I figured since this is the PRS amp section and my question was regarding a PRS amp cabinet I thought it was ok. Didn't mean to stir up a bunch of crap.
    Crap stirring is better addressed on the Roto-Rooter forum. Although we just had A-1 out for that purpose.

    This is the kind of discussion we're going to have periodically until we find our footing on some of these things. But I am wondering how comfortable those mod hats feel at times like this!

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    Ok thanks

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    Nah. There are things in this life worth getting upset over. This ain't one of 'em.

    Not even close.
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