The only way 54 people would have agreed to the concept was if the guitars were free. And even then...
Hans, nice job! This is for you:
You've earned it!
"God gave you this power for good - not jazz!" - Homer Simpson
But actually committing to the stated 'final' design and being asked to put your money where your keyboard is is quite another thing compared to the design process itself. When debating the specs, the guitar was a fiction, a temptation, a pleasant dream.
But, even though PRS has not given the 'go', this is different. The design (by the committee that is this Forum) is SET with limited options - it won't change. It is also the first ever Forum Guitar and there will NEVER be another 'first' if this guitar gets made. Those two facts alone make this guitar something very special.
In my heart, I believe every Forum Member who is willing to plunk down their money deserves one of these guitars. I may be mistaken, but I thought the idea was for us to design a guitar unique to the Forum, available only to Forum Members to celebrate our community.
I also understand the commitment issue. The company needs to know that every guitar they make in this special run has a home and will, in fact, be purchased. I get it. The company needs to have a guarantee of some initial number to make it worth their time specing and tooling and that number appears to be 25. So, monstrous and immense Kudos to the first 25 to sign up. Without your commitment, we would not even be having this discussion. If I had known and been online, I would have tried to beat Shawn in posting...
But the guitar is more 'real' than it ever has been to this point. There are more than 25 people interested and willing to pay. And, no matter what comes down the pike as a 2nd or 3rd or whatever Forum Guitar, there will never be another 1st. Limiting the run to 25 when there are more than that willing to commit doesn't seem to be the community based approach we started with.
I propose, respectfully, that the commitment to the guitar be limited not by a fixed number but by a signup DATE. Give the entire forum a chance to commit to this one and only FIRST guitar. The initial 25 needed to try get the company interested has been gathered and then some. I propose opening the signup to any Forum Member who was a member before 5/1/13, limit one guitar per member, and each member must commit before 5/31/13 or some nearer date.
Would it be a tragedy that even 100 of these guitars are built and sold to forum members? 150? The idea was to make the guitar unique to forum members. THAT was what I understood to be the limit on the limited edition concept.
Maybe I got it wrong.
EDIT: I was just logging in to move this post to this thread and delete it over there, but one of the mods beat me to it. Saves me the effort, thanks
Last edited by rugerpc; 05-06-2013 at 12:17 PM. Reason: spelling - as usual :(
Gork what you need to gork.
Even though the final design was not to my liking, I am appalled at how someone can just arbitrarily decide to ask for 25, and to heck with anyone else who may want one. What some people fail to realize is PRS is probably more likely to say yes to a larger run, versus a smaller run. That is business. Your profit margin increases with each additional identical item made, when you factor in the efficiency curve and the ability to spread the cost of research, prototyping, labor to procure special materials, etc over a larger number of items. Very wrong how this all turned out. I hope PRS reads these forums and decides to make them for ALL who may want one.
I am happy with the final design since it allows us to pick the neck.
I prefer thin necks.
I also prefer the 25" scale verses the shorter 24.5" one, but I can live with it.
Unless you can put a longer neck on
Not sure if that is possible.
I will have to pull one of the SEs out of my new guitar case cabinet to make room for a new one.
Maybe give my SE Santana to my younger son if he wants a second guitar.
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Guys, there had to be a cutoff number at some point, simply so that Hans could contact PRS with an exact figure. Otherwise it'd take forever and never happen. It was time to get the show on the road.
Whether the number was 25, or 50, or 100, there'd always be the next guy who decided to get one, and would complain about the number. PRS no doubt needed an exact figure to make the run - if they make the run, which now I kind of hope they decide not to bother with given the pissing and moaning.
Bennett, you broke your promise to stop the caterwauling after only one (!) day? Disgraceful. Suck it up, man!
Last edited by LSchefman; 05-06-2013 at 12:45 PM.
When/if I ever decide to send a request to PRS (to make a forum guitar), I'll give them a list of all the people who said they wanted in on Rev 4.
Right now I'm inclined to delete all my threads and move on. I'm just completely disgusted right now - with all of it. To be accused of saying or implying "to heck with everyone else" flies in the face of everything I've ever done for this community.
"He's kind of like a bear at a campsite...you think he's cute and kind of want to hug him, but in the end you know he's dangerous and is going to stomp on your tent and eat all your food..." - martysnarf
I'll get a Paul's Guitar or some other production model and never think about it again.
Last edited by LSchefman; 05-06-2013 at 12:50 PM.
You are wrong! As #17 on the list, I did participate in designing this guitar. Again, "you promised". Do not measure other peoples ethics when you cannot manage your own. I could go on but I do not see the point. And I do state my post respectfully. Please do not misinterpet. And to show I am sincere. Did you ever consider that when the phone call does come down the pipe that maybe, perhaps Hans will make the count at whatever is currently on the wait list. Just a simple, logical novel idea that may exist in ones mind. Seems logical and reasonable to me. Please quit fussing, I think we are all going to be happy in the end.
Last edited by Audie; 05-06-2013 at 12:56 PM.
Man...try to do something cool and people pee all over it.
“He had a voice that could make a wolverine purr and suits so fine they made Sinatra look like a hobo.”
Right On Les. Hans, if you decide to drop it, you get no beef from me. You are class act dude all the way, you can interupt my gig any day and assume guitar duties. Thank you Hans! I have no problem ordering a Paul's Guitar if you say the word. Love ya!
Guys...Ol' Bennett seems to ignore my peaceful post. Maybe it is time we ignore him. How much is there left to really say anyway!
Last edited by Audie; 05-06-2013 at 01:11 PM.
To imply that the mods would somehow take disagreement out on people is nonsense. They bend over backwards to allow everyone a voice and accommodate different points of view.
The accusations that have been made lately are completely wrong-headed. Plus, you've made your point ten zillion times. Go be Don Quixote.
In any event, you have moved up one place in line. You should be happy. Celebrate your good fortune.
Last edited by LSchefman; 05-06-2013 at 01:20 PM.