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    I was just listening to the same song on the way into work this morning.

    Here is another one with just bass and drums, and you can also download the MP3 from there.

    http://www.guitarbackingtrack.com/pl...blem_child.htm

    The above is a pretty cool site.
    http://www.guitarbackingtrack.com/

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    OK..hold your ideas for the tunes, and let's get critical mass first. Let's focus on how many players we can get, and then go from there. Anyone do a count yet? We keep the thread alive until we have at least 20 players...then, we decide whether to keep it up, or close it off as we develop the tune(s) we will video.

    I forsee the video going viral, and all participants being signed to a major studio contract as a result of this project. We will become household names....our video will become the most watched in youtube history. We will be invited to play at the next Superbowl halftime show, for which we will just lip synch to the background video. "American Idol" will ask us to become the house band.

    OK...the hallucinogens are starting to wear off......

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    Quote Originally Posted by docbennett View Post
    We will be invited to play at the next Superbowl halftime show, for which we will just lip synch to the background video.
    Remember to bring the backup generator.

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    Just a couple of pointers...

    I'd veer away from playing over the original track. The worst thing that could happen is Y'tube pulls it / or mutes the audio for copyright. It's less likely (Though not impossible) if you use a BT or without a BT.

    The guys who are using iPhones or similar....

    Do a test run first. You want the audio to be as clear as possible. If you hear clipping or pops the amp is too loud. If you hear a lot of background noise or hiss then you want to try and make the guitar clearer. So you'll need to experiment with volumes and placement if you can.
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    Quote Originally Posted by docbennett View Post
    OK..hold your ideas for the tunes, and let's get critical mass first. Let's focus on how many players we can get, and then go from there. Anyone do a count yet? We keep the thread alive until we have at least 20 players...then, we decide whether to keep it up, or close it off as we develop the tune(s) we will video.

    I forsee the video going viral, and all participants being signed to a major studio contract as a result of this project. We will become household names....our video will become the most watched in youtube history. We will be invited to play at the next Superbowl halftime show, for which we will just lip synch to the background video. "American Idol" will ask us to become the house band.

    OK...the hallucinogens are starting to wear off......
    Doc if you are going to do that, you have to share! I can PM you an address to mail the Rx To!

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    Remember to bring the backup generator.
    I was hoping for the "Wardrobe Malfunction" THIS YEAR!


    Quote Originally Posted by Mikegarveyblues View Post
    Just a couple of pointers...

    I'd veer away from playing over the original track. The worst thing that could happen is Y'tube pulls it / or mutes the audio for copyright. It's less likely (Though not impossible) if you use a BT or without a BT.

    The guys who are using iPhones or similar....

    Do a test run first. You want the audio to be as clear as possible. If you hear clipping or pops the amp is too loud. If you hear a lot of background noise or hiss then you want to try and make the guitar clearer. So you'll need to experiment with volumes and placement if you can.
    Good advice - I'm also going to make a shopping strike to Walmart to see if I can find some sort of Iphone mount to get the phone in the right spot and keep it there - Ideas here are quite welcome.

    I'd hope that with the talent( and recording Pro's) we have hanging out around here we could come up with a backing track of our own and avoid all the copyright issues.

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    Okay guys--I just did a test in my music room. Using an iPad 3 (which can shoot HD video), my AxeFx and Adams A7 Powers monitors at a low to reasonable volume, I was able to capture a video with most acceptable audio and video quality--certainly on par with a lot of You Tube instructionals. I think the key was not blowing out the volume.

    Also--the trickiest part was balancing the Ipad in a spot to capture enough of the guitar and to frame the image nicely. The Ipad does not really sit well on desks etc. Might be necessary to get a helper to hold it in place, and also do start and stop the record. (to avoid the walk around, sit down and start playing lead in). I suppose that could be edited out, but for tonight I am proud enough that I got this far lol and not feeling like investigating video editing capability. That said I have a 15 year old sitting upstairs from me who doubtless knows how to do all this in great detail.

    Anyway, the point being its not as hard as you may have thought to video yourself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by butterfly View Post

    Anyway, the point being its not as hard as you may have thought to video yourself.
    Bangin'

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    Video'ing yourself is supereasy.

    I have been staying up nights, and waking up screaming, however, as I think about the learning curve ahead of me regarding learning how to video edit.

    I haaaaavee a biiiiiig moooouth!!!!!!

    To parphrase Ellison....I have a mouth....and I am screaming!!!

    "Thanks Doc....I didn't see you come in. yes, you can restrain me...yes, I'll take the blue pill."


    Ahhh....everything is wonderful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by docbennett View Post
    Video'ing yourself is supereasy.

    I have been staying up nights, and waking up screaming, however, as I think about the learning curve ahead of me regarding learning how to video edit.

    I haaaaavee a biiiiiig moooouth!!!!!!

    To parphrase Ellison....I have a mouth....and I am screaming!!!

    "Thanks Doc....I didn't see you come in. yes, you can restrain me...yes, I'll take the blue pill."


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    Quote Originally Posted by docbennett View Post
    "Thanks Doc....I didn't see you come in. yes, you can restrain me...yes, I'll take the blue pill." Ahhh....everything is wonderful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by docbennett View Post
    I have to: http://funny-pictures-blog.com/2011/...trix-pictures/
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rango View Post
    I'd hope that with the talent( and recording Pro's) we have hanging out around here we could come up with a backing track of our own and avoid all the copyright issues.
    Actually, you won't avoid the copyright issues if you're using someone else's song.

    Background info: There are two copyrights involved in a recording: one is the composition itself, i.e., the song and lyrics. The other is the recording, which is a separate copyright.

    Strictly speaking, you need a synch license to use someone else's tune on a video, regardless of who created the backing track, and if you were to use the original recording as a backing track, you need two licenses, one for the tune, and one for the master.

    The exceptions to needing a copyright are "fair use," face-to-face instruction, and virtual instruction. If you have any chance of avoiding an infringement, you have to argue "fair use." If you're not sure, permission should be requested for the use.

    I can't venture a guess as to whether this effort would come under "fair use" since the courts have been inconsistent on the interpretation of the fair use exception, including the USSC. I hosted a studio seminar for the Michigan Bar's Arts, Communication, Entertainment and Sports Law Section a couple of years ago, and after the meeting there was a presentation on the fair use exception, which I stuck around for.

    The specialists in the room couldn't agree on the various examples we showed; they could only agree that fair use is an amorphous concept as it stands today. However, I have my doubts as to whether this would be a fair use, since it doesn't seem to meet the criteria. If you really, really want to be safe, write an original tune.

    In addition to any actual damages, statutory penalties range up to $150,000 for every work infringed, Infringer pays for all attorneys fees and court costs, and there are criminal penalties. So you want to be very sure you have a fair use.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LSchefman View Post
    Actually, you won't avoid the copyright issues if you're using someone else's song.

    Background info: There are two copyrights involved in a recording: one is the composition itself, i.e., the song and lyrics. The other is the recording, which is a separate copyright.

    Strictly speaking, you need a synch license to use someone else's tune on a video, regardless of who created the backing track, and if you were to use the original recording as a backing track, you need two licenses, one for the tune, and one for the master.

    I can't venture a guess as to whether this effort would come under "fair use" since the courts have been inconsistent on the interpretation of the fair use exception, including the USSC. I hosted a studio seminar for the Michigan Bar's Arts, Communication, Entertainment and Sports Law Section a couple of years ago, and after the meeting there was a presentation on the fair use exception, which I stuck around for.

    The specialists in the room couldn't agree on the various examples we showed; they could only agree that fair use is an amorphous concept as it stands today. However, I have my doubts as to whether this would be a fair use, since it doesn't seem to meet the criteria. If you really, really want to be safe, write an original tune.
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    So you're in?
    I love your sense of humor, Albrecht!

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    I get the sense that Les is "too good" to join us guys for an informal video jam. He just hangs with the pros of the world.

    OTOH, as a full fledged "Highlander" I can see why he eschews video content....he doesn't want his latest disguise to be recognized by anyone else, lest he might risk "his head" and never achieve "the quickening".

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    Quote Originally Posted by LSchefman View Post
    Actually, you won't avoid the copyright issues if you're using someone else's song.

    Background info: There are two copyrights involved in a recording: one is the composition itself, i.e., the song and lyrics. The other is the recording, which is a separate copyright.

    Strictly speaking, you need a synch license to use someone else's tune on a video, regardless of who created the backing track, and if you were to use the original recording as a backing track, you need two licenses, one for the tune, and one for the master.

    The exceptions to needing a copyright are "fair use," face-to-face instruction, and virtual instruction. If you have any chance of avoiding an infringement, you have to argue "fair use." If you're not sure, permission should be requested for the use.

    I can't venture a guess as to whether this effort would come under "fair use" since the courts have been inconsistent on the interpretation of the fair use exception, including the USSC. I hosted a studio seminar for the Michigan Bar's Arts, Communication, Entertainment and Sports Law Section a couple of years ago, and after the meeting there was a presentation on the fair use exception, which I stuck around for.

    The specialists in the room couldn't agree on the various examples we showed; they could only agree that fair use is an amorphous concept as it stands today. However, I have my doubts as to whether this would be a fair use, since it doesn't seem to meet the criteria. If you really, really want to be safe, write an original tune.

    In addition to any actual damages, statutory penalties range up to $150,000 for every work infringed, Infringer pays for all attorneys fees and court costs, and there are criminal penalties. So you want to be very sure you have a fair use.
    It really depends on what the publishing company and or artist and or Youtube wish to do. They may not do anything at all or they may (As they seem to do a lot and I find perfectly fair) place an ad on the video. At the worst they may mute the audio or remove the vid completely. The last two options are much more likely if you use the original tune in the composition.

    Based on my experience, I would avoid the original tune completely and opt for either a BT or no BT at all or an original tune.

    If we go with a band... A known rock tine for instance then avoid Led Zep and The Eagles like the plague!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by docbennett View Post
    I get the sense that Les is "too good" to join us guys for an informal video jam. He just hangs with the pros of the world. :
    On the contrary: At the end of the Unicorns "novel" thread, I was asked, "What's next?" and said I was thinking of creating an original backing track for *everyone* to play on and contribute to.

    I thought that was a pretty decent offer. Something nice to do.

    You didn't like it, and came up with this video idea. People seem to like it.

    Frankly, no one else jumped on my idea, either. So that's one and done. LOL.

    Fortunately for my sanity (since the creative process isn't necessarily democratic, and that's especially true in my case), I have a new project coming in, and wouldn't be able to get to it for awhile anyway. So have fun!
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    FWIW I liked your idea Les, as I do this one. IAt the risk of sounding condescending it may be because some people - particularly if they're new to recording / videoing themselves - would rather start on much more familiar territory with a known tune.

    Don't give up your idea though... Let's just give this one a shot to start with. If it takes off then we can broaden the horizons a little.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LSchefman View Post
    On the contrary: At the end of the Unicorns "novel" thread, I was asked, "What's next?" and said I was thinking of creating an original backing track for *everyone* to play on and contribute to.

    I thought that was a pretty decent offer. Something nice to do.

    You didn't like it, and came up with this video idea. People seem to like it.

    Frankly, no one else jumped on my idea, either. So that's one and done. LOL.

    Fortunately for my sanity (since the creative process isn't necessarily democratic, and that's especially true in my case), I have a new project coming in, and wouldn't be able to get to it for awhile anyway. So have fun!
    I didn't read the Unicorn thread, but if I had of, I would have said this is a great idea Les, and thank you for your kind offer of professional services.

    No reason why we can't do both?

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    Quote Originally Posted by justmund View Post

    No reason why we can't do both?
    Indeed!
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