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    Fading Pernambuco??? Same wood, or different?

    Here is my 2011 PS Santana, AKA "Serenity". The neck is Pernambcco. I wasn't concerned about the "wings" of the neck fading until I read about the recent and somewhat controversial "Pernambuco vs. Pernambuco/Chaltecoco" issue.

    I will show you how the wings of the heel have faded over the past two years. Not a major concern to me...unless the wings are fading due to a "different type of pernambuco" used to complete the headstock.

    While some of you might think that this is a private matter between PRS customer service and myself...I think that after the recent controversy....the entire forum needs reassurance (I know I do) that the "Old, genuine Pernambuco" was not compromised by an alternate wood when completing the headstock.

    Since I can't show my #3340 without including a glamor shot or two...here is "Serenity" almost 2 years later....and if anyone can comment on the fading...and if anyone representing the company would care to chime in.....are the "wings" made from the same wood that was used to make the entire neck??? If so, I am fine. If, however, a different type of wood was used to complete the headstock...then we might have an issue to resolve.

    I look forward to the anticipated reassurance. BTW..."Serenity" was the very first "Jade Glow" and the PS staining team and I created this color with my goal being a "green burst". I really think they nailed it.

    Full frontal nudity:






    Front of Headstock....Brazilian veneer, and nothing noticeable:



    Not to obvious from this angle:



    But a bit more apparent here:



    And here:



    Here is a shot of the entire neck, FWIW:




    Thoughts? Same wood? Different wood?

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    Quote Originally Posted by docbennett View Post
    Thoughts?
    That you're just itching to create problems and issues?

    Anyway, what does it matter? Do you think you're going to hear the tone suffer in any case?

    First it was the acoustic case mystery, solved by my suggestion (that proved true) that the case was replaced. You've already found out you have a real pernie neck on that thing. Now you're worried about the wood scraps they use to fill out the wings on every single PRS, that in your case are sitting behind a veneer? Are you kidding? You want to start a controversy over THAT? And two years AFTER you bought the guitar?

    If I were PRS, it'd be No Soup For You. LOL!!

    Quote Originally Posted by docbennett View Post
    Same wood? Different wood?
    If you look at the upper right part of your headstock, I'd say it seems to be the same wood. Those particular scraps simply came from lower down or higher up on the neck blank, would be my guess.

    A study of the upper left of the headstock looks similar too. You're just looking at a different grain in the wood, at a different angle. Get out a piece of wood and look at it. The grains vary from place to place on the piece of wood. And when you stain it, that varies, too.
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    The reason I am concerned is not about acoustics. It's about finances. when you are spending a huge up-charge...and I mean HUGE up-charge for the PB....you want it to be PB and not ersatz. I am sure that the company will provide reassurance, and this is not to be controversial but to assume that for everyone who posts a question there are probably a lot of people who have the same question but would be reluctant to post. If the moderators think this should be deleted and kept private, please do so.

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    You should have a spec sheet documenting the woods used to build the guitar. If you need reassurance, I'd suggest contacting your dealer who will contact Private Stock. I'm pretty sure no one from PS is a member here and they don't have the ability to chime in.

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    Thanks Shawn...please delete this thread. thanks very much.

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    It's up to you to delete

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    Quote Originally Posted by docbennett View Post
    The reason I am concerned is not about acoustics. It's about finances. when you are spending a huge up-charge...and I mean HUGE up-charge for the PB....you want it to be PB and not ersatz. I am sure that the company will provide reassurance, and this is not to be controversial but to assume that for everyone who posts a question there are probably a lot of people who have the same question but would be reluctant to post. If the moderators think this should be deleted and kept private, please do so.
    Except that you obviously got PB for the neck. So that isn't an issue. You're worried about the little wing ends. Not the neck.

    Do you buy things just to obsess over the minutiae of conspiracy theories or what?

    I'd have refrained from commenting, honestly, but you ASKED for comments.
    Last edited by LSchefman; 03-02-2013 at 12:03 PM.

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    FWIW, I've seen plenty of solid BRW necks on ME 1's, etc., with 'wings' that look the same way.....as though they were from a different rosewood altogether, but I've been assured by various 'powers that be' over the years that they are indeed BRW. I'm sure that's the case with your perny neck as well.

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    BTW, awesome Santana! Love the green... and the quilt is stunning...
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    Send the guitar to me! Problem solved! That is a looker doc...always liked it.
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    Its absolutely 1000% PERN.


    I wanna see the BENNETT VS CHEF hot-tub BATTLE ROYALE !!

    UNCLE B will bring the steaks ;-))

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    Quote Originally Posted by TGSCAN View Post
    Its absolutely 1000% PERN.


    I wanna see the BENNETT VS CHEF hot-tub BATTLE ROYALE !!

    UNCLE B will bring the steaks ;-))
    He he he....
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    I'll keep the thread...it seems to have a happy ending.

    However...I've already posted this once before...I CAN'T DELETE AN OP!!

    Can others?? I can delete subsequent posts, but I am unable to delete an OP. If I try to edit, the "delete" button is not there.

    Les....if you buy a diamond ring, with a 2 carat center stone, and 4 baguettes of only 33 points (1/3 carat) each making up the surround of the setting. then, you find out that 1 of those baguettes is actually a CZ. No problem according to your logic, no? After all...3.0 of the total 3.33 carat weight is genuine...and no one cares about anything but the center stone anyway.

    And you wrote this...

    "Except that you obviously got PB for the neck. So that isn't an issue. You're worried about the little wing ends. Not the neck."

    You mean that those wing ends are NOT part of the neck? I am now very confused. What are they part of, the body??
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    I'd say you're fine Bennett. The wings seem to have the same orange tint that all perny has. In addition, considering the chaltecoco controversy didn't start till they branded the Collection VI, I don't really think there is an issue here. Also, on many guitars where the headstock wings are glued on (not just prs) the grain tends to vary.

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    How does Ginger let you spend tens-of-thousands of dollars on guitars when your basement still has that carpeting and paneling from the 70's?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sergiodeblanc View Post
    How does Ginger let you spend tens-of-thousands of dollars on guitars when your basement still has that carpeting and paneling from the 70's?
    I think you just answered your own question my friend. We still use outdoor plumbing. You should see our out-house. A "4-holer"!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ]-[ @ n $ 0 |v| a T ! © View Post
    Kill me now.

    Skip the ad. Jump to the 1' 12" mark...it will only take about 6 seconds....that's what I thought of when I read your post.



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    Quote Originally Posted by ]-[ @ n $ 0 |v| a T ! © View Post
    Kill me now.
    You must be looking for the Leprechaun story thread. That would be in Room 17, down the hall, third door on the right.

    This is the Wood Conspiracy/Counterconspiracy Argument thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LSchefman View Post
    You must be looking for the Leprechaun story thread. That would be in Room 17, down the hall, third door on the right.

    This is the Wood Conspiracy/Counterconspiracy Argument thread.


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