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    What happened to the faux binding?

    First post. Hi everyone.

    Been a strange week.... I've wanted a PRS for years but never had the $$$. Anyway, this week I arranged to demo a Studio and compare it with a Custom 24. I'm doing that tomorrow. In the mean time I saw an '09 Custom 22 for sale online and bought it. So, it's possible that after this long wait I could end the week with two PRS guitars.

    Anway, one of the features I always liked about PRS was the faux binding and notice that it's now not featured on some guitars. They, to me, look unfinished (kind of like the Les Paul Studio looks in comparison to the Standard).

    How long have they been doing this and is it just on certain models?

    Lastly, before I bite the bullet tomorrow, I'm not sure a DGT wouldn't be more my thing. Decisions, decisions.... Nice decisions just the same.

    Cheers.

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    It depends on the finish. Most still have the faux binding. But finishes such as black gold are "wraparound," which means no faux binding.

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    Oh. I see. And it just so happens that the Studio I'm trying is Black Gold (my favourite finish I think). The Custom 24 is the Eriza Verde green which is nice (not that I'm basing my decision soley on the finish but, to be honest, it is a big part of it).

    As for tones, I really like everything from a clipped Telecaster to a Dave Gilmour strat or SRV or a thick Billy Gibbons Les Paul. Without buying them all, I don't know which PRS might cover the most bases but thought it would most likely be a Studio.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Molly View Post
    As for tones, I really like everything from a clipped Telecaster to a Dave Gilmour strat or SRV or a thick Billy Gibbons Les Paul. Without buying them all, I don't know which PRS might cover the most bases but thought it would most likely be a Studio.
    Maybe I'm getting too philosophical here, but I'd like to share my thinking, since a lot of my work involves recording my guitar as well as session players who come to my studio,; maybe this will help.

    Guitar players often start out by trying to cop their favorite players' tones when instrument shopping. Usually, they have a pretty divergent set of favorites, as you do, and usually they don't have the same equipment on hand that their favorite players used on their favorite records. So a lot of folks simply chase their tails looking for a "do all" guitar when the thing doesn't really exist. Nor can they produce the exact tones their faves make even with the same brand of guitar and amp, for a variety of reasons, some having to do with the recording process, some having to do with the skills and sensitivities of their fave players, and so on.

    Any PRS can give you a variety of great tones. And the various models can get "Tele-ish" or "Strat-ish" and the like, but the fact is that they aren't Tele or Strat copies. They're built differently, they have different pickups, different woods, different hardware, different electronics, etc. Same with LPs. These differences in construction, hardware and electronics mean that they will always sound different.

    My honest belief is that every player has a different voice. It's ok to play Gilmour compositions on a guitar that is different from Gilmour's. You're not going to fool yourself or anyone else into thinking you sound exactly like Gilmour anyway. So be you.

    Find an instrument that appeals to your sense and music making ability and don't worry about covering all the bases, because you can't really do it 100% anyway. If you want flexibility, it's certainly there in the PRS line, and the different models appeal to different people. You're so much better off finding instruments that appeal to your ear and brain and hands.

    If you can play like one of the great players you mention, it won't matter which guitar you use to play their songs unless you're in a tribute band.

    You don't need to play Yo Yo Ma's cello to be a great cellist or to play his repertoire. In fact, classical musicians try to find an instrument that appeals to their inner voice, and they often spend years looking for something that really fills that bill, and then spend the rest of their lives with it. They don't worry about finding a cello that sounds good for this part of the repertoire or that one. They find something that sounds good, and then they play the repertoire on it (there are musicians who specialize in one or two composers or eras, so that can result in a particular choice, but it's not the usual case).

    By all means, find an instrument that makes you happy with its versatility, but don't worry about copping exact tones. That part of the tone chase is an endless fool's errand, as you will see on places like TGP where people go on forever about copping this or that tone, and still can't do it.

    Just buy what appeals to your artistic sense, and the rest will fall into place.

    You can put your own spin on some great songs, if you allow yourself to be you instead of a pale imitation of someone else.

    Note - paradoxically, I sometimes happen on tones that are very close to some of the classic tunes I grew up with, but it's not something I chase, it's usually a happy accident!
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    PRS has always had "wrap" (with no faux binding) finishes available , the early "Royal Blue" and "Scarlet Red" are fine examples.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LSchefman View Post

    Just buy what appeals to your artistic sense, and the rest will fall into place.
    Thanks for taking the time to compose that reply. You'd think after playing guitar for thirty-seven years (even making a living out of it for a short while) what you said would've been obvious but, in truth, it wasn't. I have students that aspire to be professional musicians and talk to them about individuality and creativity over technical proficiency; about them finding something that is 'them' rather than an imitation of one of their heroes. That's not a million miles from what you seem to be saying.

    I've got a few hours to try out the PRS guitars tomorrow and it's nice to not now be approaching it with an agenda. I'll just work through the guitars they have and see which one fits. They don't have a DGT in my local branch and that was one on my list to try. Pity.

    Thanks again.

    Molly.

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    Welcome to the forums. Have fun trying out some PRS and keep us posted. I also have been wanting to try a DGT.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Molly View Post
    Thanks for taking the time to compose that reply. You'd think after playing guitar for thirty-seven years (even making a living out of it for a short while) what you said would've been obvious but, in truth, it wasn't. I have students that aspire to be professional musicians and talk to them about individuality and creativity over technical proficiency; about them finding something that is 'them' rather than an imitation of one of their heroes. That's not a million miles from what you seem to be saying.

    I've got a few hours to try out the PRS guitars tomorrow and it's nice to not now be approaching it with an agenda. I'll just work through the guitars they have and see which one fits. They don't have a DGT in my local branch and that was one on my list to try. Pity.

    Thanks again.

    Molly.
    I didn't realize that you were an experienced player, but I'm glad you were cool with that, and that you found it useful!
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    Quote Originally Posted by LSchefman View Post
    I didn't realize that you were an experienced player, but I'm glad you were cool with that, and that you found it useful!
    Yep, I'm cool with it. It was good advice. Thanks. Started playing in about '75 when I was a kid (after hearing Brian May). Seen some beautiful guitars come and go with this trend and that.

    Quote Originally Posted by jfb View Post
    Welcome to the forums. Have fun trying out some PRS and keep us posted. I also have been wanting to try a DGT.
    Counting down the hours until the store opens... Will keep you posted. The Custom 22 I bought is on its way and arrives Tuesday. Wouldn't normally buy a guitar I hadn't played but it was such a good price and apparent condition.

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    I am convinced Les has described me to a T. I hear several classic tones that I would love to have but as Les said, it's impossible to have all of those tones on tap. I like so many different tones that I would never be able to settle on one specific tone and be happy.

    I like a tone that has less distortion so I can have good note definition and roll back vol pot to clean it up a bit when needed. If I should need more gain I can always plug into the high gain input or set up an A/B box to go between the two. I HATE hearing a guitar player on a clean channel go to a dirty channel only to have his guitar disappear in the mix. I always roll my volume pot off when making the channel switch so the transition is not harsh.

    Lastly, I would never consider myself a "great" guitar player, just somebody that loves to play. I also think I have very good tone but it has taken me a while to get there.

    Soooo, Les was talking about gush. The guy who doesn't have ALL the great tones at the ready but has great gear to get close most of the time.

    I currently own 3 prs guitars and they are all different which makes me play and use them differently to do the same job. I always take my cu24 to a gig no matter what and my backup will be my cu22 or my McCarty.

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    Tried every PRS in the shop today. The first thing I'd say is that some weren't well prepared at all with rusty strings and filty fretboards (despite all being 'new'). They were dated between 10 and 13 so some had obviously been sat around a good while. Played a 2013 Custom 24 that was too light for my taste but played wonderfully. The Studio was 2011, surprisingly heavy (I liked that) and sounded great. Sadly, it really needed a set up. Also, as I was playing one of the intonation adjustment bolts fell out (not ideal).

    I couldn't narrow it down enough to make a decision today so I came home to think about it. My '08 Custom 22 arrives Tuesday so that'll give me something else to compare the newer guitars with. Also, I've just put a bid on a '97 McCarty because it looks so nice.... Lucky I've such an understanding wife.

    Oh, Gush. You're approach sounds similar to mine. I like to do it all from the guitar. I like a set up that's like a voice. The more you push it the more it breaks-up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Molly View Post
    Tried every PRS in the shop today. The first thing I'd say is that some weren't well prepared at all with rusty strings and filty fretboards (despite all being 'new'). They were dated between 10 and 13 so some had obviously been sat around a good while....
    I've seen this at a local store, the guitar has sat neglected so long that the strings are pure rust, tuning is near impossible, the fretboard is so dry I thought touching it might mummify me. It would be a shame if people think this is how the guitar arrived at the store (I know it didn't, others might not) but I also wonder how these guys think they're going to sell it in this condition? It seems like a little maintenance and care could/should go a long way in selling guitars.

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    Molly, I'm curious what your first impression will be of your cu22. Mine has drag2 p-ups and I love them..

    My McCarty has McCarty P-ups and I like them but I bet that guitar would rock with 5708s.

    Have you ever used a power soak?

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    Quote Originally Posted by gush View Post
    Molly, I'm curious what your first impression will be of your cu22. Mine has drag2 p-ups and I love them..

    My McCarty has McCarty P-ups and I like them but I bet that guitar would rock with 5708s.

    Have you ever used a power soak?
    Will pass on my impressions when it lands tomorrow. Still negotiating with the McCarty seller but fingers crossed.

    Many years ago I had a Tom Sholtz (sp?) power soak. That thing got so hot! I became concerned it might not be doing my Marshall much good and sold it on. A few years ago I bought the Marshall version to go with a Bluesbreaker combo. Have to say, it didn't do the tone any favours at all. Doubt I'd look at another.

    Cheers.

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    I am trying to buy my first Maryland made PRS as well. Fingers crossed. I have been playing a bunch of different models at a local store and have seen this neglect as well. Even if i did find the right model in that store I assure you I would be going elsewhere for the purchase. Also irritating to me is that the kids in the store have no idea what they are talking about when they are questioned about the guitars. I spend , perhaps and obsessive amount of time, on the PRS site learning about them and can't believe that the sales crew can't even tell what year the guitars are. sheesh! I have a Tremonti SE now which is by far the best "low end" guitar i've ever played. If i get to snag the one i'm after i'll get pics up asap! I hope the universe is on my side tomorrow!

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    Have you tried the Brent Mason model? Same 408 humbuckers as on Paul's Guitar, with a 305 middle single-coil. It's not the fanciest guitar in the line--although I've seen a pic of a new Collection Series with those pickups that's probably in the vicinity of $10K--beautiful, but too rich for my wallet! The Brent Mason is solid Korina with a pickguard, very similar to a DC3 or an NF3, but with the H-S-H pickup layout and coil-splitters. It's the first PRS I've tried that I can get something like a Tele bridge-pickup sound out of, plus some good humbucker sounds and Strat-like combinations. I just got one. I'm more of a single-coil guy, so I tend to use those tones more, but the neck humbucker works great for jazz too. You might also like the 513--I prefer the bridge pickup on the Brent Mason, but the 513 will do some hot humbucker tones that the Brent Mason doesn't. They're both very versatile guitars--you can't go wrong with either one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xman46&2 View Post
    ... Also irritating to me is that the kids in the store have no idea what they are talking about when they are questioned about the guitars. I spend , perhaps and obsessive amount of time, on the PRS site learning about them and can't believe that the sales crew can't even tell what year the guitars are. sheesh!
    What I know about PRS guitars was learned in the past week (so, not much). However, I too seemed to know more than the sales staff. Don't get me wrong. They were a nice bunch of blokes and very accommodating and patient given how busy the shop was and how often I wanted yet another guitar off the wall behind the counter. Still, I was surprised that I had to explain some of the differences to them.

    By the way, the guitars seemed beautifully finished except for one thing that niggled me: that crappy plastic control / trem cover plate. The San Dimas Charvel I sold today had anodised (sp?) black, aluminium plates. Nice touch.

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    Apropos of our discussion of guitars that aren't what might be expected, here's David Gilmour playing something other than the Black Strat on "Comfortably Numb":

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...k&noredirect=1
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    Quote Originally Posted by LSchefman View Post
    Apropos of our discussion of guitars that aren't what might be expected, here's David Gilmour playing something other than the Black Strat on "Comfortably Numb":

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...k&noredirect=1
    Coincidence! Just yesterday I dug out the DVD of that concert. That guitar seemed to be fighting him. I've had moments live where I've regretted picking up a particular guitar and got the feeling he might be thinking the same thing.

    Re. the Brent Mason model. I'd never heard of it until I trawled through a gallery here. By God, there was a beautiful example amongst the pics. Very nice.

    Correction, sorry. It was a Chris Henderson model. This guitar caused me a sharp intake of breath and the sort of involuntary groan you might do when a beautiful girl passes your way (or is that just me...?).



    My '08 Custom 22 is 'on the van' as we speak!!! I keep re-checking the track-and-trace number online and have my wife at home under strict instruction not to leave the living room window. Ha ha.

    Update: Here it is

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