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    I somehow missed all of the hubbub; probably just as well.

    Anyway, in my book, that SG is a true work of art. It naturally puts me in mind of Pete Townshend, and I'll take that any day of the week!

    That's a beauty, Les!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Goldtop View Post
    I somehow missed all of the hubbub; probably just as well.

    Anyway, in my book, that SG is a true work of art. It naturally puts me in mind of Pete Townshend, and I'll take that any day of the week!
    Same thing comes to mind for me; that, and I think the donkey on the cover of Stones' Get Yer Ya-Yas Out had one strapped on...

    And Leslie West Mississippi Queen.

    That particular SG has the World's Most Stable Neck. LOL. Seriously, it has been ruler-straight since at least 1970 (that I know of, and probably longer since it's never been adjusted or set up since).

    However, as cool and all that as the guitar may be, the Mira I had was an even better player. That Mira was super-nice, and a similar concept (thin mahogany body, cavity cover in front, etc.) executed a cut above, IMHO. I don't remember why I sold that one...must've bought some piece of studio trash that I needed for one project or sumpin'...
    Last edited by LSchefman; 06-26-2013 at 06:42 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LSchefman View Post
    And Leslie West Mississippi Queen.
    I thought he played a Les Paul Jr...


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    Quote Originally Posted by ]-[ @ n $ 0 |v| a T ! View Post
    Because there is value in rising to the occasion.
    I don't understand... I waited several hours to comment in hopes of seeing something here that would clarify.

    The only way I understand your comment implies that I have a character flaw for commenting on the looks of a guitar? And you are angry about it?

    I'm going to hope you're not doing that based on something as trivial as a guitar for sale?

    Now I'm "not happy".... I commented on a guitar, you are commenting on my personal character....

    I'm only posting hoping that this is one of the miscommunications spoke of above. Please clarify.


    On a lighter note -> Love the SG

    Time to go play my guitars....
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    I thought I posted already in this thread....oh well here goes again in a less eloquent version...who the heck cares if a guitar is reliced or not?!?! Im seriously asking this because I dont get why people feel the need to be so heated about this....Why do you (general sense) care so much?!? If it doesn't blow your skirt up then fine....those who like to beat the piss out of their own guitars have at it....those who like their guitars pre beaten to heck go for it....those who like to keep everything "minty"...good for you....same goes for all iterations in between...think of it like Baskin Robbins flavors...if you like a particular flavor or flavors then great....if others turn you off don't eat em!!! Play what inspires you....is everyone viewing this from a street cred point of view? Too many threads about this stuff lately....it always ends the same way with people pissed off at each other....word of advice to all....less b1t€#!^ more playing!!!


    btw....I dig all guitars referenced and posted in this thread and the other from a looks point of view....real test is a personal one...can you make good music with em? Do they make you feel good to play? Bring back memories? Enhance showmanship?....again it's a personal thing....there is no right or wrong....IMHO.


    So in summary....step away from your computers and go play some geetar!!!!



    oh yeah btw...I really love that SG!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rango View Post
    Please clarify.
    Ok.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rango View Post
    Why not just end the drama and make it dealers only can post in the dealer forum - easy - done - end of issue?

    Quote Originally Posted by ]-[ @ n $ 0 |v| a T ! View Post
    Because there is value in rising to the occasion.
    What that means to me: We could, in fact, lock this forum down with rules that are easy to enforce with the software - all in the name of peace and safety. But when a community gives away all of its freedom in exchange for peace and safety they often find they've become prisoners. People would stop visiting very quickly.

    On the other hand... we refrain from locking down the forum with too many rules, accept the risks, and let the community find it's own way. The later is messier than the former by a long shot - it can make room for heartache - people might get their noses bent out of shape - they may walk around with puffed-out chests and clenched fists - words could be exchanged - feelings might get hurt - and then someone might just benefit from the discussion - someone might see things from someone else's perspective without feeling like their character has been questioned - then the good stuff kicks in - people who care about the relationships that comprise the community work through their interpretations - something significant and valuable is revealed - often followed by hugs, apologies, and a stronger, wiser community.

    Yes, we could make it so that only dealers can post in the dealer forum. But I'd rather be part of a community where etiquette and respect preclude the need for rules.

    I thought long and hard about ignoring your post. It reads like a threat - like I owe you an explanation because you are "not happy." Then I put my ego aside long enough to answer you as thoughtfully and authentically as I know how. I do hope it provides the clarification you were looking for. I'm not responsible for your happiness. I'm sure as hell going to speak my mind when I think people are being rude. But I am not questioning your character. If you got that impression, I am sorry.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DirtyMoonsRJT View Post
    I thought I posted already in this thread....oh well here goes again in a less eloquent version...who the heck cares if a guitar is reliced or not?!?!
    This is a very good question for which I have no answer. I must care, because I posted about it. But honestly, it's not very important.

    I think I should agree with you. In fact, I do agree with you.

    But something still irks me and I have no explanation for it. Strange, huh?
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    Yep...but I've moved on already...all I care about is the SG.....it's siiiiiiiiiiiiiiick.

    brings back memories of when I was 13-14 when my uncle let me borrow his for a couple of years....nothing like em.



    actually I just edited this...it's not strange that you find it irksome....it's just not your bag which is totally cool too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ]-[ @ n $ 0 |v| a T ! View Post
    Ok.



    But I am not questioning your character. If you got that impression, I am sorry.
    Cool - it came off that way from this side of the internet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rango View Post
    Cool - it came off that way from this side of the internet.
    Check with your ISP. It's their fault...


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    Quote Originally Posted by JMintzer View Post
    Check with your ISP. It's their fault...


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    Will do... Dang ISP!
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    Quote Originally Posted by LSchefman View Post
    I don't hate relic'd guitars. But if you're going to do one, at least make it look like an old guitar.

    I see some of these things and it reminds me of a kid wearing "old person" makeup and a gray wig. These things don't fool anyone.

    You want to know what a 48 year old guitar, that was gigged heavily since 1965 for real, looks like? One that was played daily by teenagers, who grew older and then gave the guitar to their own kids? One that sat in Michigan winters in vans for days between gigs when the owner was in college, and was taken into warm party rooms and bars without letting the case come to room temperature, ever?

    One that a certain young player took to high school gigs on a Detroit bus? That made the Sweet Sixteen backyard, garage and basement party circuit in 1966? That was in a real garage band in the real garage band era? LOL. Literally!!!

    One that lived in dorm rooms, and gigged frat parties, and played in seedy bars, and got beer spilled on it, and cigarettes stuck in its headstock between the strings and the wood? One that went on strange "trips" in the 60s and played outdoor festivals, indoor shows, and many ad gigs? One that's actually painted with nitro, and not faked to look like nitro? One that lived in several kids' rooms while they were learning to play guitar? One that was not treated gently or babied ever in its existence?

    One that jammed out with my brother's band, then my band, then my son's punk band...lived in my girls' rooms for a while as decor between all that...

    Well, sir or madam, I happen to be very familiar with just such a guitar, the one I learned on, my brother learned on, my kids learned on, that was in my possession since my brother gave it to me in 1966. It's at my brother's house now, where this pic was taken, complete with its original 1965 case that once fell out the back of a station wagon and was undamaged! This is what a real relic looks like:




    By the way, there are no finish touch ups on that guitar. The fingerboard was never oiled. The only thing on it that isn't original besides the 1970 tune o matic is the switch tip. The original crumbled to dust. It wasn't nearly as yellow as the new one. I made a mistake getting one that was supposed to look old.

    You know what the problem is? Real relics don't look like they're "supposed to", they just look like used guitars.

    .... - nope
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    While personally I like to keep my stuff including my guitars as pristine as possible, if someone likes the "relic'd" look that's ok too. What I really don't understand is why someone would pay $14-$15K for a guitar beat up to look like Eric Claptons Strat? I don't see the value in that. Clapton never played that guitar, its a copy!!
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