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    Something Winged This Way Comes.. Mann, EKP..?

    Okay, I know I'm of a very small part of the population that adores winged tuners, but since I've never even seen anything like these I thought I would share.

    I won these off of ebay, and I'm tryin' real hard to get clear, non-bigfoot sighting photos for you fellows:



    In my package I received 10 wings! 5 per side so I've got extras, 2 E-clips (guess I gotta go to the store) and a total of 9 thumbscrews... but there's always a catch right? Five of the thumbscrews fit these tuners, the other four have slightly different threads, and are obviously of the "newer-older" type... So I've got extras. BUT, I have to figure out what I'm gonna do to make one of these fit. I promise I will resist the urge to just strip the threads by muscling the newer one on... probably.

    But check these out! I don't know if these are just prototypes but the super old ones are actually two pieces! The threaded portion is just an allen head screw that mates onto the thumbscrew which has a relief cast into it. I figure I'll probably have to get some Loc-tite or somethin' to keep from having one of these pop off and roll down a drain or get lost on a stage somewhere along the line.




    I really wonder who made these? I know that Eric Pritchard helped design these with Paul, and that John Mann machined a butt-load of the early parts, but these sure don't look like Schaller made them, and there are no maker marks in sight. Look at the non-standard-for-Schaller tuner buttons one these:


    There also isn't the typical shared D&G screw mounts for these, they use four little "nibs" that compress into the back of the headstock to keep them from spinning. I'm not sure if I have to remove a little wood/poly from the back to keep them in place... but I'm sure I'll find out.



    I'm super geeked to get my hands on such a weird and perhaps early example of these tuners, and thought I would share. I've been learning so much about the small details of a guitar brand I've been absolutely obsessed with for so long this year, GAS may be a ***** (and I hate that term.. GAS that is) but my situation of not having the money to go out and just buy a Santana and call it a day has given me a lot more insight about these Bangin' (Trademarked) guitars!

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    Nobody the least bit curious about some odd PRS history?

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    Very cool Sergio, I am a winged tuner fan. I've never seen these before. I was hoping someone more knowledgeable would reply haha

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    It's my understanding that these were used for a short time at the end of the shared D&G era and just before the Low Mass era. I've never seen a 2 piece thumb screw before. It may be an after-market part, but it may be original. The specs on the early hardware certainly fluctuated.

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    Super interesting stuff there! Odd!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shawn@PRS View Post
    It's my understanding that these were used for a short time at the end of the shared D&G era and just before the Low Mass era. I've never seen a 2 piece thumb screw before. It may be an after-market part, but it may be original. The specs on the early hardware certainly fluctuated.
    Really? So you think these were used in-between the two Phase I eras... interesting! The two piece thumbscrews look pretty well done, but primitive. I think I may have to retrofit a new allen head screw onto one of the extra thumbscrews to get the missing sixth one.

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    Not sure if this helps any but about a year and a half ago just before BAM shut down a member from Italy posted some photos of 93 Artist 2 #73. Crazy Quilt Amber top tune o matic and gold funky square backed winged tuners.The first of its kind I had seen yours make it 2.
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    PS if interested I'll see if I can dig up some photos

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    Quote Originally Posted by guitarsong View Post
    Not sure if this helps any but about a year and a half ago just before BAM shut down a member from Italy posted some photos of 93 Artist 2 #73. Crazy Quilt Amber top tune o matic and gold funky square backed winged tuners.The first of its kind I had seen yours make it 2.
    Ric
    PS if interested I'll see if I can dig up some photos
    Super interested! I recall seeing some square backed tuners before too, of course I can't find any pics of them now...

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    I had my sniper set on those till the last second when I noticed there were no screwholes either way. Nice score brother!


    My 1997 has the shared D&G wingys, and my 1998 has the nonshared screw wings that look just like phase IIs on the back - SN starting 8 354--, about 1000 into the year. Seems like if those are transitional tuners they've gotta be pretty rare.
    Were the Artist Vs coming out then? Seems like those always get the newest hardware first. If they were on any Artist I bet the Mintzer has pics

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    Quote Originally Posted by rabidhamster View Post
    I had my sniper set on those till the last second when I noticed there were no screwholes either way. Nice score brother!


    My 1997 has the shared D&G wingys, and my 1998 has the nonshared screw wings that look just like phase IIs on the back - SN starting 8 354--, about 1000 into the year. Seems like if those are transitional tuners they've gotta be pretty rare.
    Were the Artist Vs coming out then? Seems like those always get the newest hardware first. If they were on any Artist I bet the Mintzer has pics
    Maybe James will know? Thanks for backing out at the last minute, I HAD to have these... so you probably saved me a few bucks! I have a set of those non-shared ones too, I'm a little surprised that these were made in between the two Phase I "phases"... Would that make these Phase I.2's?

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    sorry Sergio I could only find these 2 pics


    hope these help

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    Interesting stuff. Thanks for the pictures and info Serg.
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    Quote Originally Posted by guitarsong View Post
    sorry Sergio I could only find these 2 pics


    hope these help
    Damn thats really cool great find! I wonder how many guitars besides the Artist II's got those.

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    I covet this guitar (a true unicorn).

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    hope these help
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    Quote Originally Posted by guitarsong View Post
    sorry Sergio I could only find these 2 pics


    hope these help
    Bangin'... That's really cool to see, Thanks! I wasn't totally sure if the tuner buttons I had were original, but I guess they are!

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    Cool, I had to go take a long hard look at my tuners after reading this!!

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    I've never seen these before. Cool.
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