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    Any SE Pink Floyd 24 and Paul Allender SE Users here?

    Anyone here that uses either of them? I understand Paul Allender SE has pickups that are good for shredding, but if I use the single coil or use even the Humuckers but adjust the knob, will I still be able to play good soft blues or jazz music? Lots of professional people I have been talking to Sales man, a few forum members, and dear close friends of mine who play guitar for a long time are telling me that pickups on Allender is a big no no for Jazz and blues. Is this all true? Can I make it work? I cant let go of the bats inlays, they are so awesome. Do/Did you guys ever buy a guitar due to looks purely even though you knew the guitar was not really for you.

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    Pink Floyd SE? That's the first I heard of that!

    Do you mean the Floyd Rose tremolo model SE? i.e. a SE "Floyd" Custom 24?

    The Paul Allender uses active pickups, so that's why it is tilted more towards heavier music (thus the artist name association).

    The Floyd Custom 24 has "normal" pickups that might be better suited for jazz/blues.

    Have you tried them both through an amp at the store? Which sound did you prefer?

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    Quote Originally Posted by shinksma View Post
    Pink Floyd SE? That's the first I heard of that!

    Do you mean the Floyd Rose tremolo model SE? i.e. a SE "Floyd" Custom 24?

    The Paul Allender uses active pickups, so that's why it is tilted more towards heavier music (thus the artist name association).

    The Floyd Custom 24 has "normal" pickups that might be better suited for jazz/blues.

    Have you tried them both through an amp at the store? Which sound did you prefer?
    Thanks for the kind and quick reply sir, as I am very very impatiently picking out my guitar....I just cant wait to get one, but having trouble still.

    So bare with me

    First the Paul Allender, I tried it through a fender Amp. I didnt know what it was, but it was no distortion for sure, just clean sounds coming from the Paul Allender. I also played the Custom 24 SE and find the tone higher, sharper than Paul Allender. Without distortion and effects or gain, I like the Paul Allender more, its still very clean no matter what settings I set it on my tone knob. But it has a small coarse/bite to the sound which I find very ROCK. Like Rock and Roll but not hard hard rock or metal. Um so I am not sure what others are talking about when they say this guitar is not for Jazz and Blues. Can someone explain? When they use this guitar for metal, they mean they gotta put it through a pedal and effects right? for the metal sounds to come out right? If I dont use any of those, the Paul Allender should sound very similar to a regular guitar such as SE Custom 24?

    For me now its just gonna be custom 24 or Paul Allender. No others, because I thought about the tremonti custom and the SE 245, but the shape is not good for me. I like the original shape better....

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    I guarantee you, if there WAS a Pink Floyd PRS, I'd already own at least one. I doubt Dave Gilmour would abandon his beloved Fenders, though.

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    Arent they coming out with one already? PRS SE Pink Floyd 24 right? Its new with the locking tuners...Could also someone get back to me as to how come the Paul Allender and 24 through a Fender Hot Rod AMP, I dont know if that amp has any settings but there was no distortion or metal sounds at all, it was clean..no matter which setting I put it in or what knob.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pfloyd57 View Post
    I guarantee you, if there WAS a Pink Floyd PRS, I'd already own at least one. I doubt Dave Gilmour would abandon his beloved Fenders, though.
    It's called the NF3.
    Perfect guitar to play Pink Floyd on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tyt921 View Post
    Arent they coming out with one already? PRS SE Pink Floyd 24 right? Its new with the locking tuners...Could also someone get back to me as to how come the Paul Allender and 24 through a Fender Hot Rod AMP, I dont know if that amp has any settings but there was no distortion or metal sounds at all, it was clean..no matter which setting I put it in or what knob.
    As Pfloyd57 stated, if there was a David Gilmour PRS model, I would have been all over that! But Mr Gilmour is far too closely associated with Fender Stratocasters for that to happen, I think. They even released a David Gilmour Black Strat signature model (which was more of a marketing gambit than a true representation of the guitar configuration he has typically played over the years, IMHO, so I don't own one).

    I think you are seeing the "Floyd" Custom 24, which is a PRS SE Custom 24, fitted with a Floyd Rose Tremolo instead of the standard PRS tremolo. I do not believe there is any PRS guitar endorsed by Pink Floyd or David Gilmour.

    On to your concerns about which guitar is "better" for blues/jazz:

    Many "metal" guitarists take the signal directly from the guitar and play it through a Marshall stack (for example), with no distortion pedals. the Marshalls have a raw heavy-rock/metal sound if the gain and pre-amp are cranked up. Other metal guitarists prefer to use amps purely as a way for amplifying the already distorted sound from a distortion pedal, with perhaps some "coloring" of the tone from the tube-amplification of the amplifer - that's what I do.

    You can get almost any sound you want using appropriate effects pedals, IMHO. However, certain bodies and certain pickups can more easily represent the specific tonal characteristics associated with jazz or blues, and the sustain and resonance will certainly be affected by the body. That's why jazz players often use semi-hollow bodies like Epiphone Dots or Gibson 335s. But you can play jazz/blues using a BC Rich if you want. If B.B. King were to pick up any of my guitars it would sound infintely more bluesy than anything I could play on his guitar.

    The Paul Allender model has active pickups: the pickups need a battery to provide a signal, but that signal is much stronger than a regular pickup. As a result, it can overdrive an amplifier or distortion pedal easier and to a greater overall degree. I haven't seen the waveforms typical of the pickups in the Allender model, but they could still be relatively "clean" (not clipping/distorted) prior to going into an amplifier, and therefore would still be capable of producing a good clean sound. It might be "brighter" (sharper, as you put it), but that can be modified with a tone control or equalizer.

    Starting with that clean sound, it would be possible to generate a jazz or blues tone that may be acceptable to many people, including yourself. Other people would want the sound direct from the pickups to be already in a state that is closer to the jazz/blues sounds they desire, so they would want a Gibson 335, or might find a Custom 24 to be acceptable.

    So really, it comes down to what works for you. Try plugging in a semi-hollow guitar next time you are in the guitar store, and compare to the PRS Allender. You may be surprised at the differences, or you may not hear it at all.

    As always, IMHO, YMMV.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shinksma View Post
    As Pfloyd57 stated, if there was a David Gilmour PRS model, I would have been all over that! But Mr Gilmour is far too closely associated with Fender Stratocasters for that to happen, I think. They even released a David Gilmour Black Strat signature model (which was more of a marketing gambit than a true representation of the guitar configuration he has typically played over the years, IMHO, so I don't own one).

    I think you are seeing the "Floyd" Custom 24, which is a PRS SE Custom 24, fitted with a Floyd Rose Tremolo instead of the standard PRS tremolo. I do not believe there is any PRS guitar endorsed by Pink Floyd or David Gilmour.

    On to your concerns about which guitar is "better" for blues/jazz:

    Many "metal" guitarists take the signal directly from the guitar and play it through a Marshall stack (for example), with no distortion pedals. the Marshalls have a raw heavy-rock/metal sound if the gain and pre-amp are cranked up. Other metal guitarists prefer to use amps purely as a way for amplifying the already distorted sound from a distortion pedal, with perhaps some "coloring" of the tone from the tube-amplification of the amplifer - that's what I do.

    You can get almost any sound you want using appropriate effects pedals, IMHO. However, certain bodies and certain pickups can more easily represent the specific tonal characteristics associated with jazz or blues, and the sustain and resonance will certainly be affected by the body. That's why jazz players often use semi-hollow bodies like Epiphone Dots or Gibson 335s. But you can play jazz/blues using a BC Rich if you want. If B.B. King were to pick up any of my guitars it would sound infintely more bluesy than anything I could play on his guitar.

    The Paul Allender model has active pickups: the pickups need a battery to provide a signal, but that signal is much stronger than a regular pickup. As a result, it can overdrive an amplifier or distortion pedal easier and to a greater overall degree. I haven't seen the waveforms typical of the pickups in the Allender model, but they could still be relatively "clean" (not clipping/distorted) prior to going into an amplifier, and therefore would still be capable of producing a good clean sound. It might be "brighter" (sharper, as you put it), but that can be modified with a tone control or equalizer.

    Starting with that clean sound, it would be possible to generate a jazz or blues tone that may be acceptable to many people, including yourself. Other people would want the sound direct from the pickups to be already in a state that is closer to the jazz/blues sounds they desire, so they would want a Gibson 335, or might find a Custom 24 to be acceptable.

    So really, it comes down to what works for you. Try plugging in a semi-hollow guitar next time you are in the guitar store, and compare to the PRS Allender. You may be surprised at the differences, or you may not hear it at all.

    As always, IMHO, YMMV.
    I been asking on the forums forever and you delievered exactly what I wanted to be clarified. Sorry for the confusion everyone, forgive me, I am a total newb....

    Just started playing 1 month ago and I cant stop playing everyday when I get off work. I only play chords and still having trouble to do so, but I am sure you guys were at my stage where you guys thought about the asethtic more than the actual sounds from the guitar right? lol

    ****last question in regards to the SE Floyd 24 by PRS....
    I tried to backtrack with the search function on this forum to find more information about it, but couldnt. A few people mentioned that the Floyd is not suitable for beginners...is this true? Is it because its got tuner lock, the strings are harder to bend? Because I thought if there was a tuner lock wouldnt the guitar staying in tune make it easier to play? Is it really the strings are harder to bend?

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    Floyds are just fine for beginners as long as you understand how to change the strings and maintain them correctly.
    Plenty on youtube about that.

    In fact, they may be better in some ways because they are SO stable that running becomes such a secondary issue.

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