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    Quote Originally Posted by swede71 View Post
    My measure stick is a good quality product.I think most entry model guitars are s**t.I would not say korean PRSs are **** but i have never bonded with them,would never buy one."good enough" is the truth we are to believe in.I dont!I dont believe in the truth that Mary got pregnant with the holy spirit either .Apparently millions does,or does because millions believe the same thing.If cheap s**t is needed to stay in business it is what it is.Its sad!Volvo now has chinese owners.I guess its needed.Sad!
    If they are not for you then that is one thing, but it's hard to dismiss the products out of hand as many (including me) feel the SE line is every bit a PRS. I'd put my SE245 up against any of the dozen or so Les Pauls I have owned over the years, including the one that I have now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by swede71 View Post
    My measure stick is a good quality product.I think most entry model guitars are s**t.I would not say korean PRSs are **** but i have never bonded with them,would never buy one."good enough" is the truth we are to believe in.I dont!I dont believe in the truth that Mary got pregnant with the holy spirit either .Apparently millions does,or does because millions believe the same thing.If cheap s**t is needed to stay in business it is what it is.Its sad!Volvo now has chinese owners.I guess its needed.Sad!
    A very long time ago, back when I was young, thin and handsome, a Lotus or an Epiphone was all I could ever hope for in an electric guitar. I couldn't tell the difference beccause that's just where I was in my natural progression of guitar ownership. But now, my standards have increased, I'm more demanding and I can really notice the difference between my USA CU24 and the former $450.00 import guitars I once owned. Back then, I wasn't settling for "good enough", I simply had the right guitar for me at that time. Today, we have all the bases covered with the PRS lines. For some, an SE is the right guitar for them right now, for others the S2 line and for old guys like me who make more money than they did 30 years ago and can tell the difference, the PRS USA core line is the right choice for me right now. I wish they had guitars as good as the SE line back when I was young!
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    Quote Originally Posted by swede71 View Post
    Can i be the first here?Mexican Fenders are s**t,chinese squiers are s**t,Epiphone Les Pauls from korea are s**t.Japan build some good guitars.USA build the best guitars.Im talking factory guitars.West have outsorced everything to other parts of the world only for one reason,to make owners of the brand richer.The one truth we are supposed to believe in is that the product is as good.Its not!To me it smells like s**t in most musicstores today.Its only business to make as much money as possible.Apparently the workers in the overseas factories are skilled workers but they will never get credit for it.The american or european brand get the credits.We live in a world with a system that has as a basic to have everything private owned and from those private owners prosperity will come.It does in the shape of products manufactured in asia,mexico or india for example.Profits are huge products are s**t.Plus our unemployment rates gets higher and higher.
    There was a time when I would have agreed. Even now I'll say that I don't like epis. Lol

    but the SEs are different. I've been playing for 20 years and my main guitars are Gibson custom shop LPs. I know what quality is. And I'm telling ya, my SE c24 is a fantastic instrument regardless of where it was made. The fact is that import guitars are getting better. Squier is building great teles these days. Slap better pups in one anod you have a keeper for far less than an American Std. The USA companies should take note.

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    Quote Originally Posted by swede71 View Post
    My measure stick is a good quality product.I think most entry model guitars are s**t. I would not say korean PRSs are **** but i have never bonded with them,would never buy one."good enough" is the truth we are to believe in.I dont!I dont believe in the truth that Mary got pregnant with the holy spirit either .Apparently millions does,or does because millions believe the same thing.If cheap s**t is needed to stay in business it is what it is.Its sad!Volvo now has chinese owners.I guess its needed.Sad!


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    Quote Originally Posted by swede71 View Post
    Can i be the first here?Mexican Fenders are s**t,chinese squiers are s**t,Epiphone Les Pauls from korea are s**t.Japan build some good guitars.USA build the best guitars.Im talking factory guitars.West have outsorced everything to other parts of the world only for one reason,to make owners of the brand richer.The one truth we are supposed to believe in is that the product is as good.Its not!To me it smells like s**t in most musicstores today.Its only business to make as much money as possible.Apparently the workers in the overseas factories are skilled workers but they will never get credit for it.The american or european brand get the credits.We live in a world with a system that has as a basic to have everything private owned and from those private owners prosperity will come.It does in the shape of products manufactured in asia,mexico or india for example.Profits are huge products are s**t.Plus our unemployment rates gets higher and higher.
    Setting aside your political reasons for disliking outsourced manufacturing, I think you are missing the point of why these entry level guitars are made where they are made. It's all about offering a reasonable product at a price point beginner and young artists can afford. If the only guitars available were $2K+ American or European models, the beginning guitarist wouldn't have a chance in Hell of getting their hands on one when they most need it - when they are young and the learning is best. It takes time and money to build a guitar to the quality and finish level of a core line Maryland made PRS, or even a Gibson, Taylor, Martin or Fender. You just aren't going to see them offered new, or even used in good shape, for the price point the average kid needs to see.

    You may not like it, but Fender, Gibson and PRS are furthering the development of young players by offering valid, workable entry points. No sane parent on the planet is going to plunk down Kilobuck$ for little Johnny or Sally to try out guitar when there is no guarantee that they will stick with it long enough to warrant that kind of outlay.

    You have your preferences, we all do. But please stop raining on others' parades. The MexiStrats, Epiphones, Squires and SEs have a valuable and important role to play in nurturing young talent.
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    Good point Ruger.............
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    Japan makes better guitars than America, unless you want to buy a Custom Shop-overpriced plank.

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    The MexiStrats, Epiphones, Squires and SEs have a valuable and important role to play in nurturing young talent.

    Which is essentially why Carlos Santana talked Paul into developing the entire SE line to begin with. I have/had a bunch of really nice PRSi over the years but my go-to gigging guitar is my SE EG over my Hollowbody and McCarty. Why....it plays and sounds so good and never goes out of tune!

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    Quote Originally Posted by HANGAR18 View Post
    A very long time ago, back when I was young, thin and handsome, a Lotus or an Epiphone was all I could ever hope for in an electric guitar. I wish they had guitars as good as the SE line back when I was young!

    Late at night here, with peace of mind, and everything quiet these words bring to me, out of the shade of the distant past, the words of the Eric Burdon song (The Animals), "When I Was Young". What a great song. He still sings it.

    Thanks for bringing back that welcome memory of a blues song largely and long forgotten.
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    SE's are fantastic. I do not hold my SE's with any less reverence than for private stocks. My Bernie SE has a honkiness that's hard to find anywhere, even at Private Stock level. I'd save the private stocks first in event of fire, but only for their value, not for any big fundamental superiority as a musical instrument. Any PS musical superiority is marginal.

    Different price points in a product line is as natural as birds and flight. At various financial stages of their lives, people will get the best guitar they can afford. For some that means a pernambuco collection with Celtic knots. For others it's a SE Bernie Marsden.

    A manufacturer would be a fool not to court all available market segments at the same time. He however needs to justify the price by creating increase in perceived value in the mind of the customer. Exotic woods and inlays. Quilt tops. Better resonance.

    The Bernie owner does not suffer unduly at the lack of a Paul's 28; it's at most a remote admiration. The Paul's 28 owner has a collectible piece of history, but he also gets laughed at in some circles for spending tens of thousands on a piece of wood.

    The high end owner does not have it all his way, neither does the entry level owner. It's all good.

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    Worth noting, alot of lives have been changed, either as a listener or a player, by Chinese or Korean guitars. For one, nirvana changed everything for me and all that took was a fender mustang and one extremely special individual. Great music can be made on cheap or expensive guitars.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jmacphee9 View Post
    Worth noting, alot of lives have been changed, either as a listener or a player, by Chinese or Korean guitars. For one, nirvana changed everything for me and all that took was a fender mustang and one extremely special individual. Great music can be made on cheap or expensive guitars.

    True.
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