Page 2 of 2 FirstFirst 12
Results 21 to 33 of 33

Thread: S2 vs CE

  1. #21
    olslowhand John Mann's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2012
    Location
    Bedford, NH 03110
    Posts
    67
    I think these guitars are KILLER for the money... plus they are a great platform for upgrades ;-)
    John Mann

    John Mann's Guitar Vault - www.GuitarVaultUSA.com
    MannMade USA - www.MannMadeUSA.com

  2. #22
    Without reading all the replies I can wager that you have received plenty of spot-on ones.
    I'll add that I'd say a fair comparison to the S2 would be an SE.
    Many feel that the S2s should have been what the $899 Les Paul Studios are. Made in the USA bling-free workhorses. You know...maybe satin, plain top, dot or moon inlays, no headstock overlay, setneck, maybe even an all-hog standard version, gigbag...like the Les Paul Studios are. They are $799 or $899(?) new at MF in black, wine or brown satin.
    The S2s are kind of like what a Les Paul Studio would be if it had Epiphone hardware and electronics and completely different construction, woods, shape, carve, neck carve...than the USA Les Paul Studios.
    Fender also offers their "standard" strats and teles for what...$899? Not part Squier or part MIM but Made in USA Strats and Teles. Granted they may be made by Mexicans but they are the real deal USA Strats and Teles. They even have the same shape as a "real" USA Fender.

    Hey, I'm not trying to slam the Korean hardware and electronics. I have an SE and LOVE it. I can even say that I love it as much as my core models (including a CE). The SE bridge is (afaict) every bit as good as the USA one and I really like the SE245 pups. The pup sel switch on the Tremonti SE Custom doesn't appreciate being filled with sweat and spit every night but it used to work fine.
    Again, I LOVE my SE!

    If you are wanting to get into a USA PRS, while that was apparently the raison d'etre of the S2 line (to be able to offer a USA PRS on a budget), well the S2 line is NOT that!
    A CE is...but it's a bolt-on. I LOVE my '94 CE24 but it isn't "really" what PRS is all about. To me, it has to be a setneck and should feel and look like GLASS. That's an SE or a core model.

    Hey actually, used McCartys are almost as cheap as the CEs. Now THAT'S a PRS. Even better (some would say) with it's thicker body.
    If you don't fall in love with it's tone...PICKUP SWAP!! Cheap and something you would probably be doing on an SE or S2 anyway.
    Yeah...definitely look at the McCartys!!

    Sorry for slamming the S2s. I AM looking forward to trying one and like we all do, I HOPE they are awesome and hugely successful.
    IF though, you are looking at them over the SE line BECAUSE the S2s are "American Made PRSs"...you might be let down a little bit after doing some research.
    Again, I'm sure the S2s are GREAT guitars. I doubt PRS would make anything BUT.

  3. #23
    ah, mr. blaren. so nice to hear from you. I thought maybe you won the lottery and bought a Island somewhere. I thought for sure you would of weighed in on the narrowfields being discontinued! always a pleasure reading your comments.

  4. #24
    Interesting topic.

    I've never heard from Paul why they eliminated the CE from their lineup. But I've definitely heard a lot of conjecture about it.

    For me, it was my favorite PRS until I got a Modern Eagle. I personally like a satin maple neck. The rock maple used in my CE's neck feels and plays perfectly. Combined with the hog/maple body, it's a thing of sonic beauty. I tried over and over to love a Custom but just couldn't abide the mahogany neck (always painted/varnished). I need the feel of wood/satin finish which I get from the CE (and rosewood necked ME).

    Maybe it cut across their bottom line but I don't quite see how. They're different animals. Bolt-on/rock maple, versus set/mahogany necks. Other than that the pups & electronics were all identical. My feeling is it's a sad thing they don't offer a CE model. For players that prefer that wood/construction it's a lost market. I'd love to see a CE resurgence with the Pattern neck. I've grown to love that profile, when I didn't think I ever would -- it's my favorite...

    But I can see where a company might want to make a branding/image decision like, "We're a set-neck guitar maker" and then stick to it...

    EDIT: It's great to see maple being used for the neck of the new Floyd Custom...
    Last edited by richardlpalmer; 01-27-2014 at 07:42 PM.
    Richard

    I tried setting my password to "penis". It said my password wasn't long enough...

  5. #25
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Dec 2012
    Posts
    575
    Quote Originally Posted by richardlpalmer View Post
    Interesting topic.

    I've never heard from Paul why they eliminated the CE from their lineup. But I've definitely heard a lot of conjecture about it.

    For me, it was my favorite PRS until I got a Modern Eagle. I personally like a satin maple neck. The rock maple used in my CE's neck feels and plays perfectly. Combined with the hog/maple body, it's a thing of sonic beauty. I tried over and over to love a Custom but just couldn't abide the mahogany neck (always painted/varnished). I need the feel of wood/satin finish which I get from the CE (and rosewood necked ME).

    Maybe it cut across their bottom line but I don't quite see how. They're different animals. Bolt-on/rock maple, versus set/mahogany necks. Other than that the pups & electronics were all identical. My feeling is it's a sad thing they don't offer a CE model. For players that prefer that wood/construction it's a lost market. I'd love to see a CE resurgence with the Pattern neck. I've grown to love that profile, when I didn't think I ever would -- it's my favorite...

    But I can see where a company might want to make a branding/image decision like, "We're a set-neck guitar maker" and then stick to it...

    EDIT: It's great to see maple being used for the neck of the new Floyd Custom...
    They have the Custom 24 Maple from last year's Experience. Also, you can opt for maple necks for Artist Packages. Although they're not bolt-ons, they're the closest you can get to have a CE now... Oh and btw, SE Customs come with maple necks instead of mahogany, not sure why.

  6. #26
    Junior Member
    Join Date
    Dec 2012
    Posts
    16
    I've been following this thread with great interest as I have the same questions as the person that started this thread. There seems to be plenty of support for picking up an older model rather than selecting the new S2. Are there any youtube posts comparing the S2 with older PRS guitars?

    I think that every year Paul works very hard to keep improving his great guitars. Is it possible that the S2s are better guitars than some of the older models? Mark Lucas of NStuff has an S2 Mira as one of his guitars and his enjoyment of it comes across in his demo - check out his comments around 9:20 - end and see his genuine appreciation of the guitar "http://youtu.be/W0V6IbtHqG0" . Even CantankerousCarl, whose posts I thoroughly enjoy reading, has an S2 Mira and he posted a wonderful review.

    From what I have seen online, even guitars that are 20 years old are still selling for more than the S2s. Is there really that much difference in quality?

  7. #27
    Senior Member Chris528's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2012
    Posts
    663
    I own a CE22 and love it. I have tried out an S2 Custom 24 and while it wasn't bad, I would rather get another CE.
    "BADASS MODDED" SE SEMI-HOLLOW W/BIGSBY
    SE ZACH MYERS, SE TREMONTI, SE20 COMBO

  8. #28
    Junior Member
    Join Date
    Jan 2014
    Posts
    17
    I don't think i could've asked for more detailed or helpful posts... I'm still in limbo as i wait another week or two for tax returns. As i mentioned in an earlier post, i have a bit of paranoia when buying used and get OCD trying to find the "one."

    I like to keep my options open and have everything on the table from an SE Akesson, to an S2 Singlecut/CU22, CE22, and there's still a chance i pull a gigantic **** it and get a Core CU22 or similar.

  9. #29
    Occasionally Onery Member CantankerousCarl's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2012
    Posts
    758
    Quote Originally Posted by micgeo View Post
    I've been following this thread with great interest as I have the same questions as the person that started this thread. There seems to be plenty of support for picking up an older model rather than selecting the new S2. Are there any youtube posts comparing the S2 with older PRS guitars?

    I think that every year Paul works very hard to keep improving his great guitars. Is it possible that the S2s are better guitars than some of the older models? Mark Lucas of NStuff has an S2 Mira as one of his guitars and his enjoyment of it comes across in his demo - check out his comments around 9:20 - end and see his genuine appreciation of the guitar "http://youtu.be/W0V6IbtHqG0" . Even CantankerousCarl, whose posts I thoroughly enjoy reading, has an S2 Mira and he posted a wonderful review.

    From what I have seen online, even guitars that are 20 years old are still selling for more than the S2s. Is there really that much difference in quality?
    Why thank you mic, thank you very much...

    While I do think alot of it comes down to perception, I think there is definitely a monetarily justifiable jump in quality from the SE, to the S2, to the Core line. But whether that translates equally into a sonic jump is much more subjective.

    I have gushed over my S2 Mira, as well as my CEs, as noted. I got my S2 Mira new for less than the least amount I have ever paid for a used CE. THATS A DEAL! I think it's a really well built guitar, and it feel great to play, but there is no mistaking it for a Core guitar. That is a difference you can see and feel.

    Having owned many SEs in the past, for my ears, you hear the differences, but to a lesser extent than you see and feel them. I haven't heard an SE that sounded bad - all of the ones, from EGs to Santanas to Soapbars had a great core tone. What I think you get as you move up through the S2s and Core models is a greater degree of subtlety, complexity and expressiveness. The better your amp, and the less junk you put between your PRS and your amp, the more of that complexity you will notice.

    Then there is the "perceived value" of what we bring to the equation. All PRSes are "real" PRSes, but the Core line is the original, and I think we all have (and continue to) aspire to that...to the high watermark. Does a $400-on-clearance / used SE sound 10x worse than a $4,000 AP model? Doubtful. Is there a tenfold difference in quality? Probably not subjectively OR objectively.

    When I bought my S2 Mira, I had been looking for a good $1,000 CE. At the time, there weren't any, and I got a great deal on a new one. So I tried one. No regrets. Now, there are a TON of great used CEs available. Would I make the same decision again? Probably not, based upon the fact that the CEs are a known good commodity to me, hold up extremely well, sound and feel amazing, and will hold a good portion of their value should I decide to get rid of one for any reason. And, when I look to the left, I see that signature on the headstock, and I feel like I did when I had my first one back in '92, with my flannel, and my long hair...

    But if I had gotten a CE at that time, I would have missed out on my S2 Mira, which I love, which gets played every single day that I play - and if I only have time to play one that day, she's usually it.

    So that took a helluva long time to say pretty much what alot of folks have been saying - either an S2 or CE will be great, and you should get what makes you happy. As I have said before - if you have the means, take advantage of return policies, and try both of them in your home, on your amp, at your rehearsal, at your gig, and keep the one that makes you smile.
    Last edited by CantankerousCarl; 01-28-2014 at 06:14 PM.
    1990 CE24 MT | 1991 CU24 | 1991 CE24 | 1992 CE24 MT
    1993 STD 24 | 1997 CE24 3pc MT | 2008 SE Semi-Hollow Soapbar
    2011 SE Akesson | 2011 CU24 GC Throwback | 2012 Signature Limited
    2013 408 Brazilian | 2013 Paul's Guitar | 2013 S2 Mira | 2013 Hollowbody II
    2013 CU24 Swamp Ash Limited | 2014 SE Zach Myers (incoming)

  10. #30
    Junior Member
    Join Date
    Dec 2012
    Posts
    16
    Thank you, and as usual, well written.
    Cheers

  11. #31
    Senior Member swede71's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2012
    Location
    Stockholm
    Posts
    582
    Very different guitars to start with.S2s are setnecks and CEs are bolt-ons or bolt-ins as Ed Roman calls it.S2s to me looks korean PRSs built in USA with Korean parts.CEs had all the same parts as the original customs.Looked the same but with a bolt-on neck.Personally i would love to buy skeletons of both models and put together projectguitars with other pickups etc etc.Im convinced a CE model comeback would be a much better product than the S2 line of guitars.
    I de-modded my CU22 soapbar and made a factory spec setup.Im in love again.I very much believe now PRS guitars are perfect as they are.

  12. #32
    Quote Originally Posted by swede71 View Post
    Very different guitars to start with.S2s are setnecks and CEs are bolt-ons or bolt-ins as Ed Roman calls it.S2s to me looks korean PRSs built in USA with Korean parts.CEs had all the same parts as the original customs.Looked the same but with a bolt-on neck.Personally i would love to buy skeletons of both models and put together projectguitars with other pickups etc etc.Im convinced a CE model comeback would be a much better product than the S2 line of guitars.
    While I don't disagree, I can see why they won't do that. There'd be little to no cost difference between a CE and CU. I mean, other than one being a set-neck and the other bolt-on, the manufacturing process is identical. No way they'd be able to lower the price like they can on the S2s...

    And therein lies the rub. I believe part of the allure to CEs is that they were (and are) core models. They might be discontinued, but there's no denying the body of my CE could be a direct replacement for ANY CU from that era. Of course, I wouldn't trade it for a CU period -- would hate to lose that neck!
    Richard

    I tried setting my password to "penis". It said my password wasn't long enough...

  13. #33
    Occasionally Onery Member CantankerousCarl's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2012
    Posts
    758
    Quote Originally Posted by richardlpalmer View Post
    Of course, I wouldn't trade it for a CU period -- would hate to lose that neck!
    +1, my favorite WT necks in the universe are those on my 90, 91 & 92 CEs - the 91 in particular just "disappears" when played, and the finish feels good as well.
    1990 CE24 MT | 1991 CU24 | 1991 CE24 | 1992 CE24 MT
    1993 STD 24 | 1997 CE24 3pc MT | 2008 SE Semi-Hollow Soapbar
    2011 SE Akesson | 2011 CU24 GC Throwback | 2012 Signature Limited
    2013 408 Brazilian | 2013 Paul's Guitar | 2013 S2 Mira | 2013 Hollowbody II
    2013 CU24 Swamp Ash Limited | 2014 SE Zach Myers (incoming)

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •