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    Quote Originally Posted by Sage View Post
    They have much of the same character, but just don't seem quite as full as the PRS 57/08 set did. No idea why. I thought the 57/08s might be wound a little hotter, but according to this chart they aren't.

    57/08s are about 5-15% hotter than most vintage and vintage voiced PAFs measured the same way. Side by side they are a bit fuller sounding (which is what you heard) but slightly less clear and have slightly less top end. Exactly what you would expect to hear. I like them both equally.

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    Would those be the pickups that gave many PRS guitars the "sterile sounding" stigma that I heard so much about? Always wondered if it was true or just a aural figment of those of us who were biased to the Big G Lester sound.
    It was probably a little of both. My 1991 was not sterile sounding, but it was different from the sounds a Fender or Gibson made. Players were used to those sounds, and tended to be critical of something different.

    However, IMHO recent PRS pickups certainly suit me a lot better than the older ones. The 5x/0x pickups were a significant step up in tone (for me and for my tastes).

    The good thing about PRS' older pickups was that they did indeed have sustain, power, and a lot of qualities that matched up well with amps like Boogies, etc. Whether someone wants to label them as "sterile," one could just as easily label them as "modern," which I think is more accurate. Because the pickups had personality, just a different kind than some players were used to. I include myself as a player who loved PRS, but kind of yearned for a more vintage tone.

    The fact that PRS guitars were even in the same conversation as Fenders and Gibsons back when PRS first came out was really something, though! Here was an upstart company challenging the acknowledged heavyweights.

    Today we see PRS on a lot of stages. That's pretty cool.
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    It's all just too confusing to me. The complexities of the combination of guitar and pickup just make it so I can never really tell what's due to what.

    Heck, I can get as close to a PAF / Les Paul sound from NF pickups in my McCarty 25th as I can from anything. Go figure. I've never swapped pickups out of anything except for a R7 (swapped the burstbuckers with Bare Knuckle Abraxys's) Couldn't really tell the difference. A little hotter, which is nice on occasion, but I always unconsciously tweak the guitar controls for whatever sound I'm going for anyway. Taken as a whole though, the combination of guitar, pickup and wiring certainly make a big difference, but I can't sort out the contributing components.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aristotle View Post
    It's all just too confusing to me. The complexities of the combination of guitar and pickup just make it so I can never really tell what's due to what.
    And add the amp into the equation...and pedals...
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    Quote Originally Posted by LSchefman View Post
    And add the amp into the equation...and pedals...
    A-freakin'-men! The moment you generalize you miss out on options that may just release your personal grail tone. Thanks to people here, I've found some very unexpected and amazing solutions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aristotle View Post
    It's all just too confusing to me. The complexities of the combination of guitar and pickup just make it so I can never really tell what's due to what.
    Toss in the bridge, relationship of where you are to the amp, the room, etc and you can be either in tone heaven or hell with all the same gear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LSchefman View Post
    And add the amp into the equation...and pedals...
    Never underestimate the power of the Grunge pedal to smooth out all those pesky tone considerations. I call mine The Equalizer as it makes every guitar sound the same. Like crap.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NomadMike View Post
    Never underestimate the power of the Grunge pedal to smooth out all those pesky tone considerations. I call mine The Equalizer as it makes every guitar sound the same. Like crap.
    Not that that's a bad thing!
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    Quote Originally Posted by NomadMike View Post
    Never underestimate the power of the Grunge pedal to smooth out all those pesky tone considerations. I call mine The Equalizer as it makes every guitar sound the same. Like crap.


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    Well not really stolen. Actually it jumped into the back seat of my car when I was loading grocerie... um I mean cases of Jack. Contact me so I can send it back to you.

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    IDK....Some days everything just sounds like a guitar to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NomadMike View Post
    Would those be the pickups that gave many PRS guitars the "sterile sounding" stigma that I heard so much about? Always wondered if it was true or just a aural figment of those of us who were biased to the Big G Lester sound.
    I think so, personally. I thought the stock PRS pickups were bright and hard sounding back then. And I had no preconceptions about Big G Lester sound because I'd never played one myself. I only "knew" that sound from studio recordings, which is a far cry from feeling it in your hands and ears.

    I vastly prefer the PRS pickups from after 2008, which is when I think PRS finally cracked the code and figured out what sounded great with amps that weren't dialed to pristine clean or total filth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sergiodeblanc View Post
    IDK....Some days everything just sounds like a guitar to me.
    That's true too!

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    I think we should consider the cost of NOT having 57/08s.

    Not a world that most of us would like to be in. Not a good world to be in at all...

    To maintain some sense of relevance, I find that my (rapidly aging) ears prefer lower output alnico-type magnetic pickups, whereas my younger ears leaned more toward ceramics.

    This has been accompanied by a shift toward playing with less gain, fewer (if any) effects, and a migrating preference for slightly chunkier, shorter necks.

    I don't like the sounds of my older HFS/VB PRSes any less now, or less than I did back then - but I sure do like the clearer, less compressed sounds of the 57/xx based pickups now (in which I include 408s).

    That being said, I don't see myself paying for a PTC-installed set of 57/08s anytime soon - any guitar I have that has "needed help" has generally cost me less than those pickups would (PTC installation included). At that point, if I just can't bond with the guitar, I generally unload it. Doesn't happen too often, but it happens...

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    Quote Originally Posted by HANGAR18 View Post
    I cringe when I see a PRS guitar (non-SE) listed for sale on Craigslist where the guy has replaced the original pickups with third party pickups.
    Then I scoff when the add referrs to the pickup swap as an "upgrade".
    If I were interested in such a guitar, I would make an offer equal to what I thought the guitar would be worth without any pickups at all.
    I can see installing PRS USA pickups into an SE; no problem there.
    I must be a PRS purist or something.
    I'm right there with ya. Some dude was trying to up sell a 20th anni Singlecut that had Dimarzios in it. Dude, come on. Guy had it priced around 2 Gs, and when it didn't sell the two times around he bumped the price up $500!

    I have placed USA PRS pups in all three of my SEs. Love the soapbars in my McCarty. The 57/08s in my Stripped 58 are pretty nice. I'll probably be switching out the bridge for a \m/ when I can. Placed a set of those in my new Se Tremonti Custom and they just f'n rock.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tree View Post
    ..its getting ridiculous how much the covered 57/08 & 59/09 pickups for sale..I guess people are yanking them out of guitars like teeth !! and buying
    a new ax lol..or nice down payments ona new car ...
    In what model do they come with ?

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    Lots of different models. They are options in CU 22 CU24 also SC 245 and SC58 and Stripped 58s. Also Stdios come equipped with them in the bridge. These are the ones I can recall off the top of my head, there could be other models too.

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    I bought my 5909's and didnt bat an eye at the price

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    I've never tried 57/08s but definitely found older PRS humbuckers not to be to my tastes: although the Mira humbuckers in my old KL1812 sounded pretty good.

    I love the humbucker and single-coil tones from the 408s in my Paul's Guitar and the Narrowfields in my old Swamp Ash Special so maybe there is something magic in that wire. I went for a BKP Abraxas set in my Les Paul and I suspect the price works out comparably.
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